Stag_legion Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I ll just start by saying that I don't believe in Azor Ahai reborn in a literal way, that said I think the myth represents an archtype hero. All classical heroes make personal sacrifices and have life changing events that causes them to be reborn in a sense. Following the above idea, do you think Shireen was Stannis' life changing event? that he might be a changed man after this? PS. If you are going to say stannis is dead, don't bother, this discussion is assuming he is alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ghost of Someone Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 No but I think it sets the stage for the real Lord or Lady of Light reborn because he sure as 7 hells was not King Stannis Baratheon. Mel was wrong and for the viewers, we watched King Stannis sacrafice and lose everything because he believed in all of the prophesies and visions Mel interpreted. Stannis had to be discredited in order for us or more importantly, Mel to realize that someone else is the real Lord or Lady of Light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag_legion Posted July 28, 2015 Author Share Posted July 28, 2015 No but I think it sets the stage for the real Lord or Lady of Light reborn because he sure as 7 hells was not King Stannis Baratheon. Mel was wrong and for the viewers, we watched King Stannis sacrafice and lose everything because he believed in all of the prophesies and visions Mel interpreted. Stannis had to be discredited in order for us or more importantly, Mel to realize that someone else is the real Lord or Lady of Light. Azor Ahai isn't the lord of light (that's the god's name), azor ahai is the warrior of light! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visceral Varys Posted July 28, 2015 Share Posted July 28, 2015 I think the sacrifice of Shireen was to sap Melisandre of all her ego and confidence which the Lord of Light needed to do. Her arrogance was making it impossible to communicate with and therefore use her. She was doing it wrong! We know...(and I'll put this in a spoiler tag because it is a spoiler for season 6): [spoiler] That another Red Priestess is being cast and in her audition tape it is mentioned that Mel is where she needs to be. [/spoiler] I believe that Stannis was not to be the recipient of any magic the sacrifice might bring, unfortunate as it is for him. I've mentioned it before that I think in order for a Red Priest/Priestess (think Thoros*) to be able to channel the Red God they need to be humble and Mel was anything but humble. *He had lost his faith, completely, and is still quite humble and therefore still able to resurrect from the dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ghost of Someone Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Azor Ahai isn't the lord of light (that's the god's name), azor ahai is the warrior of light! In the books yeah but have they seperated the two in the show, I have not paid that close attention to the exact verbage. But yeah, Azor Ahai Stannis is not so it is either Dany or Jon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GtrGbln Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Stannis is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKingWhoCared Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I believe that Stannis isn't dead (they aren't going to kill a major character this way, especially not showing the death scene) and I also believe that Azor Ahai is a myth. The God (Lord) of Light, R'hllor is real but the prophecy of Azor Ahai is just another myth. Also, Stannis didn't burn Shireen but it was Mel, I believe he will become Azor Ahai when he kills her. Because whether she was right or wrong, I believe Stannis loved her more than his wife (it was though a love-less marriage) and by putting his sword through her he will be born as Azor Ahai. EDIT: This will be what GRRM plans on doing, we have all been taken up by the idea of Azor Ahai and making assumption of our Azor Ahai, nobody expects that there is no Azor Ahai, especially in a world of magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Writhen Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Edit, nvm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Ghost of Someone Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 The bottom line is that Stannis was not "The Chosen One". Whether he is actually dead or not does not matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Primalsplit Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Shireen is Melisandre's roasted steak with garlic and red peppers, nothing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Writhen Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Edit, nvm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GtrGbln Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Bear with me there's more. Not only is Stannis not dead, he can't be killed. He's destined to win because he's the God symbolism. Jon Snow is JC, who is always coming back, no matter how worried people get. And the iron king will sit the iron throne... Seriously is this a joke? Do me a favor and look up GRRM's views on organized religion, protestants in particular. Why do god botherers insist on tacking their religious beliefs onto everything? Its really annoying to anyone who isn't one of you. However if this was a joke please disregard this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowKitteh Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 Seriously is this a joke? Do me a favor and look up GRRM's views on organized religion, protestants in particular. Why do god botherers insist on tacking their religious beliefs onto everything? Its really annoying to anyone who isn't one of you. However if this was a joke please disregard this post. Seems a bit harsh and somewhat of a stretch to assume that Valahd was bringing their "personal beliefs"into this, enough to warrant a personal attack. 90% of the Earth's population knows the basics of the Christian mythology. I could have pointed out the very same symbolism, even though I'm not religious at all. I understand where you're coming from, but how about you just disagree instead of attacking someone. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnathanSnew Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 I know there are a lot of people still holing onto the thought that Stannis is going to be alive next season, buuuuuut I don't think it's likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeamRhllor Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 They put Stannis merchandise on sale along with many other dead characters (Jon merchandise wasn't, cough, cough). Stannis is dead, bro. If you accept it, you won't be so disappointed come Season 6. He was an ok guy, but he was never as awesome as his fans acted like. He cheats on his wife, he forsakes his gods, he has little brother syndrom when he's the older brother... oh, and he burned his daughter ALIVE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channel4s-JonSnow Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 They put Stannis merchandise on sale along with many other dead characters (Jon merchandise wasn't, cough, cough). Stannis is dead, bro. If you accept it, you won't be so disappointed come Season 6. He was an ok guy, but he was never as awesome as his fans acted like. He cheats on his wife, he forsakes his gods, he has little brother syndrom when he's the older brother... oh, and he burned his daughter ALIVE. It wouldnt make sense to bring him back or keep him alive. His character arc ended quite nicely in my opinion. He died because of a fatal flaw in his character which was single minded determination, and maybe ambition over everything else. Maybe some saw him as a hero, but they should probably realise that the show and the books don't have that many heroes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nymeria's pack Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I hope he's alive so someone can tie him to a stake and burn him. Really, I don't care what his motivations were, burning people alive is wrong, burning your own daughter alive fis wrong and if your stupid LOL rewards you for such a horror then you shouldn't want any part of this religion - for any reason. I hate this AA/Nissa Nissa thing because it's twisted... Nissa Nissa came off worst in that story, yet this is seen as AA's great sacrifice? Shireen is Stannis' sacrifice? Whatever it cost him, it cost her everything. Even if he now comes around to understanding that he should never have done it, it's only because it didn't work out for him. Not because he suddenly realises what he did flies in the face of all humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordsteve666 Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 I quite like the idea that Stannis' failure and downfall is being pushed because it provides a nice set up to introduce us to more info on Rhaegar and the rebellion. Both Stannis and Rhaegar are characters who followed prophecy and fanaticism to their deadly end and lost everything in the process, all in pursuit of what they wanted to be true. Rhaegar with the prophecy of the prince that was promised and Stannis with Mel's belief he is the chosen one. Both have gone to extreme lengths to try and get what their belief offered them. I think by turning Stannis into a failure through his fanatical following of Mel prepares viewers to revaluations about Rhaegar and the cause of the rebellion. Viewers will be able to connect with Rhaegar's behaviour and his downfall because it draws parallels with Stannis' story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Agrippa Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 I quite like the idea that Stannis' failure and downfall is being pushed because it provides a nice set up to introduce us to more info on Rhaegar and the rebellion. Both Stannis and Rhaegar are characters who followed prophecy and fanaticism to their deadly end and lost everything in the process, all in pursuit of what they wanted to be true. Rhaegar with the prophecy of the prince that was promised and Stannis with Mel's belief he is the chosen one. Both have gone to extreme lengths to try and get what their belief offered them. I think by turning Stannis into a failure through his fanatical following of Mel prepares viewers to revaluations about Rhaegar and the cause of the rebellion. Viewers will be able to connect with Rhaegar's behaviour and his downfall because it draws parallels with Stannis' story. I disagree- the real issue after some think on stannis in the show is the show lacks an actual atheist. It makes Stannis vastly more interesting in the books trying to manage the fire god, the 7, and the olds gods and him probably shaking his head interenally. What your saying changes one of the few none generic characters in asoiaf and turns him into a crazy believer. I wasn't kidding when I said that books are a plot driven story- but they 5 interesting characters that really sell it. Varys, Littlefinger, Stannis, Marg, and the hound. The show manage to keep 3/5 interesting- Varys, LF, and the hound while Marg is just that sexy ***** from highgarden and stannis is some religous buffoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channel4s-JonSnow Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 . Varys, Littlefinger, Stannis, Marg, and the hound. WTF?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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