WolfgangII Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Among the history of House Targaryen there has been a lot of great knights and fighters, legendery ones. But, who is the best? Some of them were favoured byt mighty dragons and Valaryan steel swords, but in this exercise we level every Targaryen fighter. No dragons and we assume everyone fight with either Blackfyre, Dark Sister, or his weapon of choice. This is about one-vs-one skills, not strategy or commanding. To determinate, I listed the known Targaryen fighters (kinighted or not) in chronological order. It is possible that I left out some contender, but I think this list is fairly good. There is many other fighters who had some dragonblood (like Robert Baratheon, Jacaerys Velaryon and Brown Ben Plumm) but I submit only members of House Targaryen and the legitimized "Great Bastards". After ranking each fighter, I remove the last 7 in order to have a 16-fighters field. The #1 ranked fighter is paired with the #16, the #2 with #15, and so on, until we reach the final. The contenders: Aegon I "The Conqueror" Visenya Rhaenyra Maegor I "The Cruel" Aegon Aemon Rhaenys "The Queen Who Never Was" Daemon "The Rogue Prince" Rhaenyra "Realm's Delight" Aegon II "The Elder" Aemond Daeron "The Daring" Daeron "The Young Dragon" Aemon "The Dragonknight" Daemon Blackfyre Aegor Rivers "Bittersteel" Brynden Rivers "Bloodraven" Baelor "Breakspear" Maekar I Valarr Aerion "Brighflame" Daeron Rhaegar Power rankings: 1. Aemon "The Dragonknight" (The most legendary knight in Westerosi history) 2. Daemon Blackfyre (They said he was the Warrior in flesh. He was defeated after a rain of arrows fell down to him) 3. Daemon "The Rogue Prince" (the founder of the Gold Cloacks, and formerly "King of the Stepstones and the Narrow Sea") 4. Aegon I "The Conqueror" (He get knocks down because many of his famous victories were in part of Balerion) 5. Maegor I "The Cruel" (A consagrated knight and fighter win many melees victories) 6. Visenya (She did not only conquer a continent, she saved his brother from dying of Dornish blades) 7. Aegor Rivers "Bittersteel" (The guy fight like three rebelions and founded the best sellswords company with best slogan) 8. Maekar I (A powerfull knight who is the only one in the list to use a warhammer. And we know he beat Baelor) 9. Daeron "The Young Dragon" (Yes, he lost Dorne the minute he gave his back on it, but he also conquer it) 10. Rhaegar (Great rider and skilled warrior. His only defeat came in the hands of one the greatest warriors in history) 11. Brynden Rivers (We are not using his greenseeing and warging powers here, but the guy is a very sharp arrow shooter) 12. Rhaenyra "Realm's Delight" (If fighting against half the kingdom is not enough, try doing it after giving birth) 13. Daeron "The Daring" (Althought he need his dragon to win, he won a real battle, the one of the Honeywine) 14. Rhaenyra (He might be more inclined to ride and "liberal arts", but she conquer a freaking continent, except for Dorne) 15. Baelor "Breakspear" (He is said to be good, but he lost the only battle we read. The ones against the KGs does not count) 16. Rhaenys "The Queen Who Never Was" (She had balls, she died fighting two dragons) 17. Aemond (The guy lost to Daemon, and that is ok under these power rankings) 18. Aegon II "The Elder" (We know he has a good stamina, he is relentless and get the shit done. He might be a little overweight) 19. Aemon (the son of Jaehaerys I, he died defending Tarth against Myrish pirates) 20. Aerion "Brightflame" (The guy put a really good fight against Duncan "The Tall" and even work a little with the Second Sons) 21.Daeron (the son of Aegon V, he died putting down the rebellion of The Rat, the Hawk and The Pig) 22. Valarr (We only know he rode and won some jousts on the Ashford tournaments. When you're in the line of sucession, that's expected) 23. Aegon (son of Aenys I. He had the balls to face Maegor I and Balerion. I give him that) So, the field of 16: 1. Aemon "The Dragonknight" 16. Rhaenys "The Queen Who Never Was" Without a dragon, I don't think Rhaenys could defeat Rhaegar. 2. Daemon Blackfyre 15. Baelor "Breakspear" Baelor might have been the greatest King Who Never Was because of his politics and morality, but Daemon was a pretender to the trone because of his sword-skill. 3. Daemon "The Rogue Prince" 14. Rhaenyra Rhaenyra might seduce Daemon, and viceversa, and dragon-vs-dragon, she probably have won. But I don't make the rules (well, yes I do), and body-against-body, Daemon will take her. 4. Aegon I "The Conqueror" 3. Daeron "The Daring" Daeron is this high because of one victory. Let's compare to what Aegon did. 5. Maegor I "The Cruel" 12. Rhaenyra "Realm's Delight" Both are cruel and are kinslayers, but Maegor is bigger and stronger. Even with a dragon, Maegor won. 6. Visenya 11. Brynden Rivers Maybe Brynden can put an arrow in Visenya, but if she gets to close, he is doomed. Visenya is fast, strong and skilled. 7. Aegor Rivers "Bittersteel" 10. Rhaegar Both of them are losers, but Bittersteel lose more times than Rhaegar. That should count for something. 8. Maekar I 9. Daeron "The Young Dragon" Daeron is good, but we know what happens when a dashing swordsman face off a powerfull warhammer-wielding-guy. One blow is all Maekar needs. Quarter-finals: 1. Aemon "The Dragonknight" 8. Maekar I Alright, not even the most powerfull warhammer can defeat the greatest swordman. Maekar will force Aemon to dance a little, but he is strong enough to withstand his punches and pushing Maekar around. Tight, but Aemon wins. 2. Daemon Blackfyre 10. Rhaegar This is perfect. Both of them are considered, by 50% of Westeros population as the King It Should Have Been. While Rhaegar prepared himself to battle, Daemon was born for it. An exciting square-off, that puts the pretender ahead of the harp-singer. 3. Daemon "The Rogue Prince" 6. Visenya Daemon should won this, he is regard as one of the best fighters and most dangerous persons of his time. He made himself king. But Visenya is not a force to take lightly. Give her an incentive, and she beat the crap out of anyone. I say Visenya, but barely. 4. Aegon I "The Conqueror" 5. Maegor I "The Cruel" Father-vs-son. You may say Maegor is a bigger and stronger version of Aegon, but can he be as cunning and intelligent as his father? Aegon won battles because of his talent and because he knew how to approach them. But he also found himself in a lot of problems and was rescued by his dragon or his sister. I'll say Maegor. Semifinals: 1. Aemon "The Dragonknight" 5. Maegor I "The Cruel" Maegor is bigger, but Aemon is quickest. Maegor can knock down Aemon, but the latter can slash the former easily. This black-vs-white battle (because of their armors) is truly exciting. Aemon fought dornish champions, betrayers, snakes, and rumors. Maegor is powerfull, but if the fight goes for long, he will get tired, and Aemon will be ready to give the final stroke. 2. Daemon Blackfyre 6. Visenya Daemon was renowed as the greatest knight of his generation (Visenya might be the best of her time, but the social sterotypes prevent her of reaching that fame). Both are dashing and talented, both could fight several foes at the same time. At the end, I think Daemon will be more experienced that Visenya, and that's not ther fault. If Visenya has been born male, Aegon may not ever been king. The Grand Finale: 1. Aemon "The Dragonknight" 2. Daemon Blackfyre Did I did this whole exercise to pit the Dragonknight against Blackfyre? Maybe. But who could not want to see this fight (especially if you read until this point, by which I'm very thankfull) Dark Sister-vs- Blackfyre. The honorable Kingsguard-vs-the traitorous pretender. Uncle-vs-nephew. Both are the epitome of Targaryen fighting skills. Aemon defeated a Hastwyck, Daemon a Corbray. I'm sorry reader, but I can decide. I don't see any of them losing, at least on duel. If I'm forced to choose, I'll say Daemon, only because he will be more inclined to use a dirty trick in the duel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspoi Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 I would say Aemon because as a kingsguard he spent his entire life either fighting or training, and Daemon's life wasn't very long anyway. But at any rate I feel like you sometimes make the mistake of confusing battlefield skill with melee skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic G Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Daemon? Dirty tricks? Wrong great bastard that would be bloodraven. Daemon all the way. And it was Daemons honor that killed him not his lack of fighting skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Wraith Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Aemon the Dragonknight is certainly number 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Khal Who Rode West Posted July 29, 2015 Share Posted July 29, 2015 Daemon Blackfyre/Aegon I/Daemon Targaryen are my top 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mountain That Flies Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 At their respective primes with their signature blades, Daemon Blackfyre would beat Aemon the Dragonknight. We have no records of Aemon doing anything of note in the Conquest of Dorne, whereas Daemon was leading pretty much every Blackfyre victory. Real battlefield experience trumps being a great knight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drhenry Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 At their respective primes with their signature blades, Daemon Blackfyre would beat Aemon the Dragonknight. We have no records of Aemon doing anything of note in the Conquest of Dorne, whereas Daemon was leading pretty much every Blackfyre victory. Real battlefield experience trumps being a great knight. "Prince Aemon won fame after he defeated a celebrated Dornish Champion...In one infamous episode, a poisoned arrow meant for the king was taken by his cousin Prince Aemon...In a bloody betrayal, the Dornsh attacked the Young Dragon...Prince Aemon the Dragonknight was wounded and captured, but not before cutting down two of the betrayers...Baelor was bitten half a dozen times while crossing to the pit, and though he opened it he nearly collapsed before the Dragonknight was able to thrust open the door and pull his cousin from the pit...Prince Aemon struggled to climb out with King Baelor upon his back and leaped to safety. As for the Blackfyre Rebellion from what I can tell Daemon only directly led the Battle of the Redgrass Field and I will admit he was great during it in terms of skills and heroism I believe Aemon has to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Agency of Sansa Stark Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Daemon and Rhaegar are #1 and #2 The rest is irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon The Black Dragon Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Daemon? Dirty tricks? Wrong great bastard that would be bloodraven. Daemon all the way. And it was Daemons honor that killed him not his lack of fighting skills. :agree: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic G Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 "Prince Aemon won fame after he defeated a celebrated Dornish Champion...In one infamous episode, a poisoned arrow meant for the king was taken by his cousin Prince Aemon...In a bloody betrayal, the Dornsh attacked the Young Dragon...Prince Aemon the Dragonknight was wounded and captured, but not before cutting down two of the betrayers...Baelor was bitten half a dozen times while crossing to the pit, and though he opened it he nearly collapsed before the Dragonknight was able to thrust open the door and pull his cousin from the pit...Prince Aemon struggled to climb out with King Baelor upon his back and leaped to safety. As for the Blackfyre Rebellion from what I can tell Daemon only directly led the Battle of the Redgrass Field and I will admit he was great during it in terms of skills and heroism I believe Aemon has to win. so Aemons a better fighter because he was captured or wounded multiple times and carried a nut job cousin home? And won one mentioned tourney? Daemon killed a kingsguard and won. I'm pretty sure he could do it again(if he wasn't dead) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drhenry Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 so Aemons a better fighter because he was captured or wounded multiple times and carried a nut job cousin home? And won one mentioned tourney? Daemon killed a kingsguard and won. I'm pretty sure he could do it again(if he wasn't dead) No Aemon is great because he fended off two attackers though dying in the process but saving his King and is referred to as the noblest knight to ever live and one of the greatest. The quotes I gave were simply to refute your charge that Aemon never distinguished himself during the Conquest of Dorne. As for whether Daemon was better based upon the way people talk about Aemon and the way they talk about Daemon I believe Aemon is the better of the two. When people speak of the greatest knights to ever live Aemon's name is always among them up there with Ryam Redwyne and Duncan the Tall I'm sure that Daemon gets a bad wrap for his side losing but in the end I believe Aemon was better. Another thing to be considered is that Aegon IV was said to never have dared to speak of setting Daeron aside so long as the Dragonknight lived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic G Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 No Aemon is great because he fended off two attackers though dying in the process but saving his King and is referred to as the noblest knight to ever live and one of the greatest. The quotes I gave were simply to refute your charge that Aemon never distinguished himself during the Conquest of Dorne. As for whether Daemon was better based upon the way people talk about Aemon and the way they talk about Daemon I believe Aemon is the better of the two. When people speak of the greatest knights to ever live Aemon's name is always among them up there with Ryam Redwyne and Duncan the Tall I'm sure that Daemon gets a bad wrap for his side losing but in the end I believe Aemon was better. Another thing to be considered is that Aegon IV was said to never have dared to speak of setting Daeron aside so long as the Dragonknight lived. it seems like his deeds were exaggerated to make his relations with his sister seem less likely and discredit the black dragon. But this is all opinion so I see what you're saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Agency of Sansa Stark Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I've revised mine: 1. Bloodraven 2. Rhaegar 3. Aegon the Conquerer 4. Maegor the Cruel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 "...When Prince Daemon had Blackfyre in his hand, there was not a man to equal him...not Ulrick Dayne with Dawn, no, nor even the Dragonknight with Dark Sister." Simple, really. Daemon wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstream Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 I've revised mine: 1. Bloodraven 2. Rhaegar 3. Aegon the Conquerer 4. Maegor the Cruel I'm just curious, what made you drop Daemon from 1 to 5 or lower? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstream Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 "...When Prince Daemon had Blackfyre in his hand, there was not a man to equal him...not Ulrick Dayne with Dawn, no, nor even the Dragonknight with Dark Sister." Simple, really. Daemon wins. Who was this quote from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pied Pypar Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Geez man, horrid grammar. Yikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 Who was this quote from? Ser Eustace in The Sworn Sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hol Horse Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 The Dragonknight. Not sure which one. There's like 17 of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMC Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 "...When Prince Daemon had Blackfyre in his hand, there was not a man to equal him...not Ulrick Dayne with Dawn, no, nor even the Dragonknight with Dark Sister." Simple, really. Daemon wins. Well, Eustace obviously has a bias there. But yeah, it's between Aemon and Daemon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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