Colton Casados-Medve Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Has GRRM ever confirmed that all three of her children are products of incest? I was wondering what it would do for the story for Tommen or Myrcella to actually be legitimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikethesebooks Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Based on their traits all being more or less identical I don't see how anyone would believe that or prove it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Cersei admitted both that and to aborting the only child she had conceived with Robert. They did not sleep together much, so she would know the timing of the pregnancies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShelbySmythe Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 They're Jaime's children. The problem with the ASOIAF fandom is that they see twists and turns around every corner, rather than just accept that something may actually be how it is presented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomKat Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Well, he's never confirmed it but , and correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Cersei explains this to Ned when he asks the same thing. She says she... ended things if she found herself possibly pregnant after a while of sleeping with Robert, and never did when she was pregnant by Jaime. She could always have drank that moon tea the morning after with Robert every time. But she is completely confident that they are Jaime's (and I think purposefully Jaime's). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstream Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 When Ned confronts Cersie: "all three are Jaimies" he said, it was not a question. "Thank the gods" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felguy Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 They're Jaime's children. The problem with the ASOIAF fandom is that they see twists and turns around every corner, rather than just except that something may actually be how it is presented. Agreed, often it goes much too far. Is Ned really Ned? How do we know it's not Arthur Dayne in disguise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twikee Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 The seed is strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Wraith Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Are we getting to the point that we need to question everything despite the truth being very well known? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkstream Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Agreed, often it goes much too far. Is Ned really Ned? How do we know it's not Arthur Dayne in disguise? We all know the solution to this. Soon George, please!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felguy Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 We all know the solution to this. Soon George, please!!! Honestly I believe the pink letter is from Ramsay. I don't think George wrote a story only to reveal 100+ people as actually being somebody else. 1 or 2 people sure, but the whole cast? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Wraith Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Honestly I believe the pink letter is from Ramsay. I don't think George wrote a story only to reveal 100+ people as actually being somebody else. 1 or 2 people sure, but the whole cast? Jaquen is performing the single greatest one man show in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felguy Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Jaquen is performing the single greatest one man show in history. If he would end it this way, I would be okay with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcotron Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Jaquen is performing the single greatest one man show in history.But only because Jaqen has killed and replaced GRRM, and he doesn't know how to write anyone but himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomKat Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Jaquen is performing the single greatest one man show in history. Jaqen H'ghar is the Iron Throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colton Casados-Medve Posted August 2, 2015 Author Share Posted August 2, 2015 Claiming Ned is a FM or that Roose is a vampiric skin-stealer is leagues away from questioning whether all three of Cirsei's children are Jaime's as well... come on guys. There are several reasons one might think Tommen/Myrcella are actually Robert's children. 1. They are normal unlike their poisoned asshole of a brother. 2. Cirsei could have timed the pregnancies but this is a Medieval setting... its not going to be perfect. 3. She wouldn't be able to wait, for say, Robert to leave for a really long time (like a month) because if he came back and she was pregnant people would question if it was Robert's... so clearly she was sleeping with Robert/Jaime separately within the span of days/weeks rather than months. It would be very easy to make a mistake and abort one of Jaime's children or to miss one of Roberts... 4. Hair color alone is not enough evidence that they are all purely Lannister. GRRM hasn't said how genetics works in his world but we can assume a real-world parallel. Hair color is a trait that can skip generations and resurface in later offspring. 5. There are good story implications for questioning this... as far as Cersei's prophecy etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaibaman Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 I have always wondered how Ned deduced Cersei's kids all belonged to Jaime and that Cersei wasn't simply banging some other blonde dude in the city? After he figured out about the Baratheon super gene, he confronted Cersei in the garden and said "your brother or your lover"? Did we miss something in between these scenes or was Ned just phishing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoon89 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Jaquen is performing the single greatest one man show in history. Thanks for making snort soda on the keyboard. :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Visenya Stark Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Claiming Ned is a FM or that Roose is a vampiric skin-stealer is leagues away from questioning whether all three of Cirsei's children are Jaime's as well... come on guys. There are several reasons one might think Tommen/Myrcella are actually Robert's children. 1. They are normal unlike their poisoned asshole of a brother. 2. Cirsei could have timed the pregnancies but this is a Medieval setting... its not going to be perfect. 3. She wouldn't be able to wait, for say, Robert to leave for a really long time (like a month) because if he came back and she was pregnant people would question if it was Robert's... so clearly she was sleeping with Robert/Jaime separately within the span of days/weeks rather than months. It would be very easy to make a mistake and abort one of Jaime's children or to miss one of Roberts... 4. Hair color alone is not enough evidence that they are all purely Lannister. GRRM hasn't said how genetics works in his world but we can assume a real-world parallel. Hair color is a trait that can skip generations and resurface in later offspring. 5. There are good story implications for questioning this... as far as Cersei's prophecy etc. Cersei spent more time on Joffrey. It's partly her influence that made Joffrey turn out the way he did. Since this is a fantasy book series, you really shouldn't take real-world parallels too seriously. According to in-book evidence, a union between Baratheons and Lannisters ALWAYS results in black haired children. The seed is strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farstrider Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Jon Arryn seemed sure of it. Ned read that book and was sure enough to confront his queen about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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