RoamingRonin Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 So! In an effort to get some actual legitimate discussion going (and to steer us away from those lame troll-bait threads that seem to be super popular for some reason), I present you all with this interesting quote: "For him. The Bran boy. I was born in the time of the dragon, and for two hundred years I walked the world of men, to watch and listen and learn. I might be walking still, but my legs were sore and my heart was weary, so I turned my feet for home." Question is: what did Leaf mean by this? She said she walked the world of men. That's pretty interesting. It doesn't sound like she only walked around the lands north of the Wall. Sounds like she traveled everywhere. Westeros. Tyrosh. Braavos. Maybe she ate a lemon, tossed the seed aside and is responsible for Dany's lemon tree. A Child of the Forest waltzing around the world unnoticed is a pretty big deal. Did she walk the world of men in her own form or did she do it via skinchanging? It seems to me that she actually got up and took a tour of the world using her own two feet. Is she the only Child to do this? Is there a special pilgrimage for the Children of the Forest? The implications are interesting: since the Children so long lived, it could be there were Children on a pilgrimage during the time of the Blood Betrayal. That's pretty cool. Thoughts? EDITED because this forum doesn't recognize spacing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Wren Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 It is interesting. Sounds like she did the walking herself, which brings up at least a few things: Children (or at least Leaf) aren't completely isolated if can go out and walk the world. And see what's going on. Don't need a greenseer to just see--so what else might they need a greenseer for? She might have skin changed. Might also have used a glamour--some of the imagery in the cave seems like it might be an illusion or changed--so, if Children can do more than just disguise themselves with leaves, can actually glamour their appearance, what implications could that have? What have they seen and what is their opinion of it? I like the idea of a Children's pilgrimage. Can you think of any specific evidence? "Watch, listen, and learn"--what did she learn? And what does she think of it? Is this tied to why they brought Bran to the cave? So far, she hasn't mentioned anything about helping in the impending Long Night--so, what did she see and what does she want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarkofWinterfell Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Sounds eerily similar to ol' Bilbo and Frodo Baggins leaving the Shire and going to explore the world of men and then coming back with all sorts of stories and weird gadgets that the Hobbits didn't know existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonardo Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I imagine the Children are exceptional at hiding, and likely User methods of Transport across the narrow sea than man made ones, if indees she travelled the free cities at all. Westeros is a very big place after all, Tyrion is extremely well read and wealthy, yet hadnt Seen even half of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Wraith Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 The children of the forest are also supposed to be really good at hiding. Its hard to know if its literal or not. Also this reminds me of the story that Meera tells Bran about the little cranog man aka Howland Reed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeeves Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 The children of the forest are also supposed to be really good at hiding. Its hard to know if its literal or not. Also this reminds me of the story that Meera tells Bran about the little cranog man aka Howland Reed. Yes, it does remind us of Howland Reed's adventure. I suppose if a Children were to wear a hat with a low brim, and pretend to be a short person, they could walk the lands and not be noticed. They could also have magic and used a glamour to hide their true appearance. Weary of what? Homesick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lykos Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I think that by "time of the dragon" she meant the time of the Dance of Dragons, which was two hundred years ago and she just returned recently. Some have sugested that Leaf is Nettles, but I rather suspect that the Ghost of High Heart is Nettles. That would mean there were several "Children" walking the world of men and that they are able to change their appearance (glamour or such). :dunno: Just my impression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I think the dragon refers to Balerion. Leaf definitely didnot spend two centuries among the wildlings. She must have travelled south of the Wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcotron Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I imagine the Children are exceptional at hiding, and likely User methods of Transport across the narrow sea than man made ones, if indees she travelled the free cities at all. Westeros is a very big place after all, Tyrion is extremely well read and wealthy, yet hadnt Seen even half of it.I kind of like the idea that there's a magic portal, or just a hidden tunnel thousands of km long, from the Isle of Faces to the Ifequevron forest in Essos and similar places on other continents.But I think you're right, Westeros is more than big enough to and to spend a couple centuries exploring, and it wouldn't be too huge of a stretch to refer to that as walking "the worlds of men", especially when talking to a kid who's never been south of Winterfell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 200 years ago means she'd likely have witnessed the Dance of the Dragons, I'd like to add. Though I guess it depends when she turned her feet and headed for home. I'd assume sometime before BR arrived, but maybe not. As for travelling unseen, I suppose she was disguised - as a dwarf woman, a child etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slant Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 think "time" "of the dragon" here means "during the reign" "of Aegon I" also, Leaf obviously could not have roamed the world (unless CoTF know of all the lands which Im just now thinking is a pretty strong possibility) the "world of men" could be the realms of men, as in would hazard a guess that Leaf did not roam the lands of always winter at least it could also just mean westeros safest interpretation would be something like leaf roamed about till she longed for home that would mean Leaf came back home between 70-100 years ago, about a century after the Dance of Dragons really like the Leaf being Nettles idea. Does not fit in the timeline tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edd tollett:( Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I think by time of the dragon, she meant from around the time of Aegon's conquest till the dragons died out. Which was about 200 years later, IIRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edd tollett:( Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Which would be the only time Dragons have ever been on Westeros, supposedly, which would explain why that time was significant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 As for travelling unseen, I suppose she was disguised - as a dwarf woman, a child etc. or as Nettles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slant Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Aegon I is The Dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victarion Chainbreaker Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Dragons are dragons. She was born when the Targs still had them. I like the idea of a tunnel system. Maybe not all the way down to the God's Eye and Essos, but connecting BR's cave with Gorne's passage south of the Wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slant Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 its not a dragon or the dragons, it is the dragon. Aegon I is called Aegon the Dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Regular John Umber Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 'The Time of the Dragon' could be any time during the Valyrian Empire as well. She could have stopped walking a long time ago. Do we ever get any hint as to how long the Children live? She could be very very old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edd tollett:( Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 its not a dragon or the dragons, it is the dragon. Aegon I is called Aegon the Dragon. Though I think Aegon was of interest to the CotF, the fact that she stayed for 200 hundred yrs, to Me, shows she was interested in more then one person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HexMachina Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 or as Nettles. Nettles had black hair and brown eyes. Leaf has reddish/brownish/goldish hair and golden eyes. Leaf also appears rather distinctive in terms of her age - old and young at the same time. She also has a high, sweet, musical voice. She doesn't really sound like Nettles at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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