Stag_legion Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 It would have honored his Durrandon ancestors and distanced his dynasty from the targayens. Lyonel baratheon did declare himself a storm king when he rebelled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Viserys Targaryen IV Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 It would have honored his Durrandon ancestors and distanced his dynasty from the targayens. Lyonel baratheon did declare himself a storm king when he rebelled. Because he used his relation to the Targaryens to sell himself as a fit contender to the Crown. Many of the nobles backed him because he had the Targaryen blood. If he started playing up his Storm King ancestors, then maybe the other Nobles start claiming their ancestral royal blood as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncle Karstark Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Because he used his relation to the Targaryens to sell himself as a fit contender to the Crown. Many of the nobles backed him because he had the Targaryen blood.If he started playing up his Storm King ancestors, then maybe the other Nobles start claiming their ancestral royal blood as well. This. The non-bolded part isn't really true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag_legion Posted August 4, 2015 Author Share Posted August 4, 2015 Because he used his relation to the Targaryens to sell himself as a fit contender to the Crown. Many of the nobles backed him because he had the Targaryen blood. If he started playing up his Storm King ancestors, then maybe the other Nobles start claiming their ancestral royal blood as well. Targaryen blood was used to placate the targaryen loyalists, but everyone knows he won the throne because he won the rebellion and his allies choose him as king. House Stark, Tully, Arryn and lannister did not accept him as king because of his targaryen blood but instead because he was the rebellion's spiritual leader. Also he established a new dynasty anyway. House baratheon isn't a continuation of house targaryen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Viserys Targaryen IV Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Targaryen blood was used to placate the targaryen loyalists, but everyone knows he won the throne because he won the rebellion and his allies choose him as king. House Stark, Tully, Arryn and lannister did not accept him as king because of his targaryen blood but instead because he was the rebellion's spiritual leader. Also he established a new dynasty anyway. House baratheon isn't a continuation of house targaryen. But I am talking about BEFORE he won the Throne, while they were calling the Banners and trying to convince different Houses to their cause. That is when he used his Targaryen blood to win some of the Lords to his side. In the end, yes he won the Throne with his hammer, but he built his army, at least some what, with his Targaryen relations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag_legion Posted August 4, 2015 Author Share Posted August 4, 2015 But I am talking about BEFORE he won the Throne, while they were calling the Banners and trying to convince different Houses to their cause. That is when he used his Targaryen blood to win some of the Lords to his side. In the end, yes he won the Throne with his hammer, but he built his army, at least some what, with his Targaryen relations ok good point, but why not change the title after a year of being king for instance? I doubt anyone would rebel just because of a name change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncle Karstark Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 But I am talking about BEFORE he won the Throne, while they were calling the Banners and trying to convince different Houses to their cause.That is when he used his Targaryen blood to win some of the Lords to his side. In the end, yes he won the Throne with his hammer, but he built his army, at least some what, with his Targaryen relationsHe only had to convince Hoster Tully (Marriage to his two other backers) Ned Stark (Bestest friend) and Jon Arryn (Guy who started the war for them) Feudal loyalty was to the next highest authority first, king second. It's not like he convinced any Reach, Crownlands, or Dornish houses to fight for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Viserys Targaryen IV Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 ok good point, but why not change the title after a year of being king for instance? I doubt anyone would rebel just because of a name change Did Robert look like the kind of guy that has any idea what he was going to do in the future. His plans did not go further than wine and women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Khal Who Rode West Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Lyonel Baratheon declared himself Storm King because he declared independence from the Crown and the Durradons, his ancestors, were Storm Kings who ruled an independent nation. He went back to his roots when he rebelled. Robert on the other hand was fighting a war of conquest. He was disposing the Targaryens. Plus Robert was also only one of three leaders who all rebelled their nations together. If Robert declared himself Storm King he's alienating his Vale and north supporters as then they must either declare independence too, or tie themselves to a Stormlands King instead of a Westoros king. And allying yourself with a nation that's not on your border isn't exactly the smartest thing to do back then as you'd be cut off from one another. Which is actually exactly what happened after Robert was defeated at Ashford. He was stuck in enemy territory while all his allies were far away and therefore almost died at Stoney Sept when the royalists boxed him in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Viserys Targaryen IV Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 He only had to convince Hoster Tully (Marriage to his two other backers) Ned Stark (Bestest friend) and Jon Arryn (Guy who started the war for them) Feudal loyalty was to the next highest authority first, king second. It's not like he convinced any Reach, Crownlands, or Dornish houses to fight for him. There were bannermen from different lords that supported Robert that sided with the Targaryens during Robert Rebellion. It was not just a case of the Lord Paramounts called the Banners and they went to war. They had to build a case for their Bannermen to support Robert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncle Karstark Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 There were bannermen from different lords that supported Robert that sided with the Targaryens during Robert Rebellion. It was not just a case of the Lord Paramounts called the Banners and they went to war.They had to build a case for their Bannermen to support Robert.They weren't fighting FOR Robert. They were fighting AGAINST the mad king. It wasn't until the Trident that they seem to have chosen him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 At no point did the Storm Kings ever rule all of Westeros as Robert was doing, Lyonel was declaring himself an independent nation while Robert is simply picking up where the Targaryens left off. I also don't recall much to suggest he is that obsessed with his heritage that he would feel the need to honor the Durrandons, I doubt he much cares about the storm kings, he's more of a here and now kind of guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Viserys Targaryen IV Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 They weren't fighting FOR Robert. They were fighting AGAINST the mad king. It wasn't until the Trident that they seem to have chosen him. There were not just bunch of Lords out fighting against the Crown. Robert's Rebellion started small and included the Aryns fighting some of the Vale's Lords were loyalists. Same with the Stormlands. At almost every turn Robert's army got bigger and eventually wont he day at the Trident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncle Karstark Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 There were not just bunch of Lords out fighting against the Crown.Robert's Rebellion started small and included the Aryns fighting some of the Vale's Lords were loyalists. Same with the Stormlands.At almost every turn Robert's army got bigger and eventually wont he day at the Trident.They were Targ loyalists because they felt the crown would win, or they had special ties with the Targaryens. This fact absolutely does not support the idea that any of Robert's allies were fighting for him because of some stupid bloodline connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marsyao Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 I would guess Storm King only ruled Stormland, not the seven Kingdom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag_legion Posted August 4, 2015 Author Share Posted August 4, 2015 I would guess Storm King only ruled Stormland, not the seven Kingdom They once ruled almost half of the south. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 They once ruled almost half of the south. And they once ruled nothing but Storm's End when the Gardener kings were kicking their ass, what of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beorn Snow Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 He kept almost all traditions. He had the Kings Guard, the Small Council, the Grand Maester and a Hand of the King. And to top it all the currency of Westeros remained Dragons. Robert also sat on the Iron Throne. This was no reformer king seeking to change the way things were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the trees have eyes Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 The Storm King was king of only one of The Seven Kingdoms, Robert is King of all seven. Why would he want to do anything to associate himself in people's minds as the rightful ruler of only the one? This sort of thing matters in Politics and it would be a mistake political opponents or malcontents, (hello Balon Greyjoy), could have seized on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby b's bobby Posted August 13, 2015 Share Posted August 13, 2015 It's what you do when you take an old throne when you have some link to the old dynasty you use it makes you more legitimate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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