LinsarellaSand Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 In Chapter 34 of ADWD, Tyrion and Moqorro have the following conversation aboard the Selaesori Qhoran: “Someone told me that the night is dark and full of terrors. What do you see in those flames?” “Dragons,” Moqorro said in the Common Tongue of Westeros. He spoke it very well, with hardly a trace of accent. No doubt that was one reason the high priest Benerro had chosen him to bring the faith of R’hllor to Daenerys Targaryen. “Dragons old and young, true and false, bright and dark. And you. A small man with a big shadow, snarling in the midst of all.” Now, I’ve found plenty of debate over whether Tyrion’s inclusion in that statement indicates anything about his parentage (ie. whether he’s actually a Targaryen, unbeknownst to himself), and the “false dragon” seems easily correlated with “mummer’s dragon” (ie. (f)Aegon), and I suppose that the “old dragon” has to be Aemon (because really, which other “dragon” alive for the events of ASOIAF is truly old?). But what made me wonder is the part about “bright and dark”... Who are the bright and dark dragons? Could "dark" be Blackfyre? Or Jon, in his NW blacks (taking R+L=J for granted)? Someone else? And who is "bright"? Are there popular theories about who this refers to (with rationale to back them up)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sword of the Evening Posted August 19, 2015 Share Posted August 19, 2015 Old- Aemon Young - True - False -Aegon Bright- Dark- Those are the only 2 I'm pretty sure of. Dany could be young or true or both. Her dragons could be the young. Jon Snow, and all of everyone's favorite secret and undead Targs could be the bright/dark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfLannisport Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Young- Dany True- Jon Bright- Tyrion Dark- BR Dany is very young for how much she has accomplished and is spoken about by Aemon as being young. Jon is honorable and true in character yet the truth of his identity is unknown. Tyrion (if Aerys turns out to be the father) is very intelligent aka Bright. Bloodraven lives a cave and could turn out to be on the others side so thats about as dark as it gets. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tucu Posted August 20, 2015 Share Posted August 20, 2015 Young- Dany True- Jon Bright- Tyrion Dark- BR Dany is very young for how much she has accomplished and is spoken about by Aemon as being young. Jon is honorable and true in character yet the truth of his identity is unknown. Tyrion (if Aerys turns out to be the father) is very intelligent aka Bright. Bloodraven lives a cave and could turn out to be on the others side so thats about as dark as it gets. What do you think? I would not count Tyrion as a dragon. I think he will continue his journey and join whoever/whatever is behind the R'hllor cult and manipulate things from there. Thus the big shadow and the snarling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sword of the Evening Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Young- Dany True- Jon Bright- Tyrion Dark- BR Dany is very young for how much she has accomplished and is spoken about by Aemon as being young. Jon is honorable and true in character yet the truth of his identity is unknown. Tyrion (if Aerys turns out to be the father) is very intelligent aka Bright. Bloodraven lives a cave and could turn out to be on the others side so thats about as dark as it gets. What do you think? I don't think Tyrion would be considered the bright dragon as the very next sentence Tyrion is explained as something else. (Small man/big shadow/snarling) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amoracchius Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 This has come up on the forums before so I'll be brief. I think that it's just as likely that Moqorro was describing two dragons as it was that he was describing six. It could be that there is one old, true, and bright dragon and one young, false, and dark, or that each adjective is meant for its own specific dragon. Both possibilities are worth exploring, though I don't think there's enough in the text for us to really suss this out yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sage of Westeros Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Old- Aemon Young- Jon Snow True-Dany(claimed a dragon) False-Quentyn(claims he has blood of the dragon then fails) Bright-Bloodraven(White dragon for his sigil) Dark-Aegon(potential Blackfyre so a Black dragon or "dark" dragon) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Crow Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 I would not count Tyrion as a dragon. I think he will continue his journey and join whoever/whatever is behind the R'hllor cult and manipulate things from there. Thus the big shadow and the snarling. Agreed, however the descriptions of the dragons Tyrion is not one of them since he stands snarling in the middle of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anasûrimbor Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Agreed, however the descriptions of the dragons Tyrion is not one of them since he stands snarling in the middle of them. I rarely find others who entertain my theory about Tyrion's R'hllor potential. The books have mentioned his big shadow numerous times, from the very start. Still wonder if that doesn't tie into his potential Targness. Perhaps Targs have special potential for such magic as part of their natural gifts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Goat Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Old: Aemon Targaryen. Young: Daenerys Targaryen. True: Jon Snow. False: Aegon Targaryen. Light: House Targaryen. Dark: House Blackfyre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Slayer Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 This has come up on the forums before so I'll be brief. I think that it's just as likely that Moqorro was describing two dragons as it was that he was describing six. It could be that there is one old, true, and bright dragon and one young, false, and dark, or that each adjective is meant for its own specific dragon. Both possibilities are worth exploring, though I don't think there's enough in the text for us to really suss this out yet. This... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sword of the Evening Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 Old: Aemon Targaryen. Young: Daenerys Targaryen. True: Jon Snow. False: Aegon Targaryen. Light: House Targaryen. Dark: House Blackfyre. I like this. This has come up on the forums before so I'll be brief. I think that it's just as likely that Moqorro was describing two dragons as it was that he was describing six. It could be that there is one old, true, and bright dragon and one young, false, and dark, or that each adjective is meant for its own specific dragon. Both possibilities are worth exploring, though I don't think there's enough in the text for us to really suss this out yet. Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sword of the Evening Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Could Bloodraven fit in somehow..didn't think of that until I saw it posted above.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tucu Posted August 24, 2015 Share Posted August 24, 2015 Could Bloodraven fit in somehow..didn't think of that until I saw it posted above.. He could be old and dark (based on what he tells Bran about embracing the darkness) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amoracchius Posted August 25, 2015 Share Posted August 25, 2015 He could be old and dark (based on what he tells Bran about embracing the darkness) He could also be either true (he stayed loyal to the Targs while the other Great Bastards supported Daemon Blackfyre) or false (he was still a bastard). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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