U.S. Politics - are you born on this board?

[Seli]

 

Again, how would the IRS know that you're working anywhere?  If you report no income, and your company doesn't report any income, where is the proof of tax evasion?

Spending patterns, it is how they caught up with Al Capone. And of course US law enforcement agencies are (IIRC) still allowed to seize money and goods until the owner can prove they are the legal owner.

 

Of course unlikely for any unremarkable individual, but a risk nevertheless. And of course the IRS uses strongarming tactics as well eg

 

http://www.theguardian.com/money/2014/sep/24/americans-chased-by-irs-give-up-citizenship-after-being-forced-out-of-bank-accounts

 

In February this year, the US and Canadian governments signed an intergovernmental agreement to co-operate on Fatca. The Foreign Accounts Taxation Compliance Act required all foreign banks to disclose the financial information of any American with assets over $50,000 sitting in banks outside of the US.

Steep penalties add muscle to the law. If a foreign bank – not just in Canada, but anywhere – fails to report even a single US citizen as a customer to the IRS, the US Treasury department would withhold 30% of the banks’ US income as penalty.

[Ramsay Gimp]

The whole "it's racist" card has worn itself out. No on cares anymore except the left-wing echo chamber

[IamMe90]

The whole "it's racist" card has worn itself out. No on cares anymore except the left-wing echo chamber

If you don't care about people being racist or using racist language, you're being a shitty person. If you don't care about the fact that you're being a shitty person, I guess that's not surprising, given that shitty people generally don't care about, or know that they're being shitty people.

[NestorMakhnosLovechild]

 

I don't know how you haven't heard it. It's the biggest argument I see for why jus sanguinis is a bad idea whenever it's discussed.

 

Can you point to a single (American) liberal commentator or politician actually making this argument? I'm genuinely curious. The news media I consume is, for the most part, extremely liberal - MSNBC, NPR, etc. I can't recall anyone actually making that argument. Virtually all of the opposition I've seen to the idea of revoking birthright citizenship is based on the general notion that the policy change is designed to hurt undocumented immigrants from Mexico and South America, which is true as far as it goes. 

[Myrddin]

Just to make sure I'm understanding correctly, we're saying the word "cuckold" is a racist term originated by white supremacists?

 

Or the invented name mentioned in the previous thread?

[NestorMakhnosLovechild]

Just to make sure I'm understanding correctly, we're saying the word "cuckold" is a racist term originated by white supremacists?

 

Or the invented name mentioned in the previous thread?

 

As I understand it the actual argument seems to be that "cuckservatives" is a racist term because it was coined by racists and most often applied by these racists to refer to other conservatives who have taken stances on things like immigration, interracial adoption, and presumably interracial sexual relations that the racists see as race-betrayal. 

 

I don't see anything that indicates that "cuckservatives" or "cuckold" are etymologically racist - that is, that the words themselves refer to race or are derived from racial words. The label of "racist" seems to be wholly based upon who first used the term and who they used the terms against and for what reasons. 

[TerraPrime]

Just to make sure I'm understanding correctly, we're saying the word "cuckold" is a racist term originated by white supremacists?

 

No.

 

The term "cuckold" refers to a specific sub-genre of pornography, where the main attraction is the husband becomes the cuckold as his wife engages in sex with another man. In many cases, the bull (the name for the man who is having sex with another man's wife) is often black, setting up a racially charged scenario. It also often involves insults to the husband for having a penis that is shown to be smaller than that of the bull's.

 

But as a result of the frequency of the black-bull white-cuckold scenario, and because of the racist narrative of black men preying on white women sexually, the white supremacists adopted this porn genre as a cultural punchline to convey that the white race as a whole is being subjugated, as in the porn scenario where the white husband is forced to offer his white wife to a black man. It also conveys the sense that the proper place of the white man/white race is being usurped.

 

This use, then made the jump from the sewers like Stormfront into the more mainline right wing conservatives in the form of "Cuckservative."

[NestorMakhnosLovechild]

 

No.

 

The term "cuckold" refers to a specific sub-genre of pornography, where the main attraction is the husband becomes the cuckold as his wife engages in sex with another man. In many cases, the bull (the name for the man who is having sex with another man's wife) is often black, setting up a racially charged scenario. It also often involves insults to the husband for having a penis that is shown to be smaller than that of the bull's.

 

But as a result of the frequency of the black-bull white-cuckold scenario, and because of the racist narrative of black men preying on white women sexually, the white supremacists adopted this porn genre as a cultural punchline to convey that the white race as a whole is being subjugated, as in the porn scenario where the white husband is forced to offer his white wife to a black man. It also conveys the sense that the proper place of the white man/white race is being usurped.

 

This use, then made the jump from the sewers like Stormfront into the more mainline right wing conservatives in the form of "Cuckservative."

 

Having read the articles that were linked to in the Wikipedia page on "cuckservative" I don't think there's any particularly good evidence to suggest that the term was rooted in racialized cuckolding fantasies. The idea of cuckolding is obviously  not new, and even in terms of internet porn,  is extremely well represented in non-racialized forms. 

 

I am well aware that I'm about to flush any credibility I have on any topic down the toilet, but the best explanation I've read of the origins of "cuckservative" is Milo Yiannopoulos's on Breitbart who offers a pretty compelling explanatory narrative tracing its usage back to 4chan. 

[TerraPrime]

Not going to image search for Stormfront screencaps, but I've seen messages that have linked the election of Obama to the white man being cuckolded by a black man, which is painted as one of the most egregious assaults to the white race and one of the most clear piece of evidence that the country has gone down the tubes. So the association of the concept of cuckold and race politics was there in the racist crowd, before the emergence of "cuckservative" as an epithet, least that I am aware of. It's possible that the white supremacists picked up the word originally from 4chan - I don't know the timeline, except that 4chan exists prior to Obama's first election.  

 

ETA:

 

If you check out the comments on the Breibert article you linked, you can see that one of the commentators said:

 

 

Yes, but it's about more than that. To be a "cuckservative" means more than just being a RINO. It means selling out your own interests (as a white person) for the sake of avoiding being called a "racist" and maintaining PC respectability. Those who believe illegal immigration is bad but legal immigration is good are just as much cuckservatives as the GOP establishment they may despise, because in the end this kind of race-blind thinking leads to the very same white-minority America that will spell the end of everything liberty-minded people care about.

"Cuckservative" cannot be divorced from its racially aware connotations - they are intrinsic to what the term describes.

 

 

So apparently to at least some of the people using that term, it has an indisputable racial context to it. This doesn't mean that everyone who uses the term does so with the racial dimension in mind, but it also doesn't render a reading with that meaning unjustified.

[BloodRider]

The whole "it's racist" card has worn itself out. No on cares anymore except the left-wing echo chamber

Did you even read the links?  Those folks were hardly one step away from getting the Trostskies.

[Martell Spy]

Can you point to a single (American) liberal commentator or politician actually making this argument? I'm genuinely curious. The news media I consume is, for the most part, extremely liberal - MSNBC, NPR, etc. I can't recall anyone actually making that argument. Virtually all of the opposition I've seen to the idea of revoking birthright citizenship is based on the general notion that the policy change is designed to hurt undocumented immigrants from Mexico and South America, which is true as far as it goes. 

 

 

I can't point you to a specific article, but I'm sure Thom Hartmann has written about these issues or similar. It seems like something that would be in his wheelhouse. You won't hear many real liberal viewpoints on any visual media hardly. It's often very watered down. There is no liberal version of Fox News I don't believe and the written word is often the best place to see actual liberal viewpoints. Sites like Salon, Alternet, and Vox. 

 

I think liberals in general are concerned about the devolopment of castes and sub classes, even if they haven't thought about it specifically. For example ex cons and undocumented immigrants/workers could all be considered be classes of people that are not afforded equality in the U.S.

[Kalbear]

Can y'all please stop talking about the cuckservative thing? Please? Or take it to another thread that isn't about politics?

[NestorMakhnosLovechild]

 

I can't point you to a specific article, but I'm sure Thom Hartmann has written about these issues or similar. It seems like something that would be in his wheelhouse. You won't hear many real liberal viewpoints on any visual media hardly. It's often very watered down. There is no liberal version of Fox News I don't believe and the written word is often the best place to see actual liberal viewpoints. Sites like Salon, Alternet, and Vox. 

 

I think liberals in general are concerned about the devolopment of castes and sub classes, even if they haven't thought about it specifically. For example ex cons and undocumented immigrants/workers could all be considered be classes of people that are not afforded equality in the U.S.

 

I think it's demonstrably untrue that you can't get "real liberal viewpoints" on any visual media. Rachel Maddow, Chris Hayes and Melissa Harris Perry are all very liberal, more so than your average Congressional Democrat, and all of them routinely bring on guests that are far to the left of national politics - like Ta-Nehisi Coates, one of Chris Hayes' favorites.  

[Arch-MaesterPhilip]

If anybody who is here now were grandfathered in would people have a problem supporting the elimination of birthright citizenship?

[Martell Spy]

I think it's demonstrably untrue that you can't get "real liberal viewpoints" on any visual media. Rachel Maddow, Chris Hayes and Melissa Harris Perry are all very liberal, more so than your average Congressional Democrat, and all of them routinely bring on guests that are far to the left of national politics - like Ta-Nehisi Coates, one of Chris Hayes' favorites.  

 

 

That may well be true. I became disgusted by TV news many years ago and no longer watch any of it. It was watered down in my experience. And I was a cable news junkie for about five years.And I don't mean that in a sense that it wasn't socialist or extreme left, more than they just don't get into a lot of the details of liberal policies. The fact that you haven't heard about liberal concerns about the development of permanent underclasses kind of proves my point though, since you seem to be watching many liberal hosts. Maybe it's not sexy tv, I don't know.

[TrackerNeil]

If you don't care about people being racist or using racist language, you're being a shitty person. If you don't care about the fact that you're being a shitty person, I guess that's not surprising, given that shitty people generally don't care about, or know that they're being shitty people.

 

Word.

 

(Assuming this is the rhetorical "you.")

[IamMe90]

 
Word.
 
(Assuming this is the rhetorical "you.")

(Yes.) :)

[Arch-MaesterPhilip]

 
I would have a huge problem with eliminating birthright citizenship.

Even in cases of Birth Tourism?

[Durckad]

Even in cases of Birth Tourism?

Personally, I would have to be convinced that this is a statistically significant before we go about creating 'fixes' for problems that very well may or may not exist.

[Myrddin]

Thanks for taking the time to clarify, Terra and Nestor.

 

/returns to lurk mode