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Who was/would have been on Renly's Small Council?


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He would have gotten rid of Stannis first chance he got, because 1, Stannis' presence was living proof that he had no true right to be king, and 2, Stannis would never tolerate a slight like that. Robert was his older brother so any insult had to be endured, but Renly? Summon a ghost post haste
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Mace tyrell as hand, that's a given
Redwyne as master of ships
LF as master of coin
Varys a master of whispers
Barristan as LC ( he could fit Loras too, but Renly is not an idiot like Joffrey, he wouldn't fire Barri)
Pycelle as GM

In order to Renly form his SC, stannis should be dead, there's no way Renly seats the IT whitout Stannis interference if he's not dead
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Stacked with Tyrells and Tyrell lackeys given his total reliance on their support.

 

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Mace would definitely be Hand, Loras was already Lord Commander (and the RG was full, so Selmy misses out), Tarly and Rowan seemed like the most significant of Renly's lords at SE so I presume they'd get spots, and Redwyne might get a spot despite giving Renly and Mace no assistance as they'd need his fleet to defeat Stannis and Balon.

 

I always wonder whether he'd have poached Maester Cressen from Stannis if Red Mel hadn't poisoned him. 

Other way around, Cressen poisoned himself whilst trying (and failing) to murder Melisandre.

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Honestly if stannis backed down and served renly I don't see why he wouldn't be master of ships or laws hand is Mace. He'd keep pycelle or barristan but I think he'd get rid of lf and Varys.


How would anyone think that the elder have to back down in a succession conflict, Renly should have sworn fealty to stannis, yes he could have made a "pretty" King, but only for the showing, he had no interest in helping westeros, only in the court life
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How would anyone think that the elder have to back down in a succession conflict, Renly should have sworn fealty to stannis, yes he could have made a "pretty" King, but only for the showing, he had no interest in helping westeros, only in the court life


Because the elder had 5000 men at best and the younger had 100k. Renly would have made a better king than stannis.
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A bitter old woman talking to someone outside the family about renly failing in the capital says renly would have been bad Great evidence.


That bitter old woman is one of the smarter people in the series and she's also unafraid to speak critically of her own family to strangers. So why should he criticism of Renly be counted as useless?
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That bitter old woman is one of the smarter people in the series and she's also unafraid to speak critically of her own family to strangers. So why should he criticism of Renly be counted as useless?


Is she one of the smartest people?

Renly was popular and charismatic is compared to Robert without the drinking, eating, whoring and spending to excess with the full backing of the Reach I don't see how he could fail.
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Because the elder had 5000 men at best and the younger had 100k. Renly would have made a better king than stannis.


Of course not, that's made clear in AGOT and COK, Renly was only interested in the court life, the best proof is that he is having a tourney while preparing to face Stannis, and besides the Succession laws made it clear, the Heir was Stannis, Renly should have called the banners to help stannis, and then he would be alive and KL could have fallen to Stannis, Renly had it coming
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He would have gotten rid of Stannis first chance he got, because 1, Stannis' presence was living proof that he had no true right to be king, and 2, Stannis would never tolerate a slight like that. Robert was his older brother so any insult had to be endured, but Renly? Summon a ghost post haste

 

Stannis is not living proof that he had no true right to be king. He had 3 of Robert's children, and before Stannis sent his letter Renly was already in open rebellion against them. Like Renly thought of Dany, the kids were a risk to be rid of. But Stannis he claimed was to ally to him, and provide him with a fleet. It is not clear if Renly had intended to murder Stannis as well later on when he no longer needed him, but if Stannis had aided him in usurping Robert's children, it is just as likely that Renly would consider Stannis as a non-threat. Clearly, he had just aided him in becoming king.

 

Stannis not suffering a slight like that did not stop Renly from thinking, or at least to claim to think that Stannis would side with him in a war against Robert's children. Note that he claims that in Bitterbridge, when he had recieved Stanins' twincest letter weeks earlier back at Horn Hill, and had either dismissed it as a temporary setback at best with poor propaganda, or he was just bullshitting Catelyn in the hopes that with having bullied the North and the Riverlands into bending the knee, he would be able to give the same threat speech to Stannis later (unlikely, given his shock that Stannis lays siege to Storm's End). 

 

From the Small Council, Renly does not seem to mind Littlefinger and Varys. Pycelle as well, and he had no input on an officer that is under his authority - Slynt. It seems as if Renly was also not thinking of getting rid of the Kingsguard. He started the Rainbow Guard, but he only reserved a spot for Barristan after he heared that he was fired from his position. The Rainbow Guard also don't seem to work the same, since they had an acting lord (Caron) in the ranks. Maybe he was planning on aboloshing the order, or maybe he was banking on creating redundancies, just in case. 

 

Mace Tyrell would have been Renly's Hand. He crowned him for crying out loud. Aside from that most of the Small Council would have likely stayed the same, with the position of Master of Laws likely given to a Stormlord like Estermont, or to a Tyrell agent. Tarly or Rowan or Redwyne.

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Of course not, that's made clear in AGOT and COK, Renly was only interested in the court life, the best proof is that he is having a tourney while preparing to face Stannis, and besides the Succession laws made it clear, the Heir was Stannis, Renly should have called the banners to help stannis, and then he would be alive and KL could have fallen to Stannis, Renly had it coming


The tournaments were to waste time as the capital starves, build morale and are training not just because he fancied holding a tourney.

Stannis was the heir if anybody knew about the twins nobody did only stannis and by the time he sends out the letters it only makes him look like an ambitious uncle joining a war to stake his own claim.
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