Milda Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Did Jaehaerys and Alysanne flied to Winterfell in two days? Does Daenerys flied to Dragonstone in 1 day? How far can dragon fly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Wraith Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Did Jaehaerys and Alysanne flied to Winterfell in two days? Does Daenerys flied to Dragonstone in 1 day? How far can dragon fly? I bet Septon Barth would know. I alas don't know. Not sure if anything like that has been measured or can be measured with what we currently know. However if someone does know I would be glad to hear it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Arthur Hightower Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 IIRC they can fly to dragonstone in a day from King's Landing, I'm not at home so I can't say the distance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milda Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 IIRC they can fly to dragonstone in a day from King's Landing, I'm not at home so I can't say the distance. And on which dragon? Surely Balerion could fly further than Drogon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Arthur Hightower Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 And on which dragon? Surely Balerion could fly further than Drogon. Once dragons get to a certain size they seem to travel slower, not faster, so Dany's 3 probably have a bit more growing before they reach max speed, but we are told Lucerys Velaryon's dragon was faster than Vhagar under most conditions. The dragons that went from KL to Dragonstone were Vhagar and Syrax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordsteve666 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 That's one thing I've always wondered. When the Targaryens moved to Dragonstone from Valyria did they send out recon flights over Westeros? The way history is explained in the series it's like one day Aegon suddenly pops up out of thin air to take Westeros. I'd have thought with dragons living only a day away from Westeros they would have been a quite common sight in the skies prior to the invasion but we hear no tales prior to that of things seen in the sky. Not even any sailors tales of flying beasts or mention of any raids. And even before the Targaryens moved there seems to be no mention of dragons being seen anywhere in Westeros despite the Freehold controlling lands right up to the edge of the narrow sea. There don't even seem to be many tales from Dorne about dragons, and they are a people who were effectively refugees from the wars against the Freehold. Why did no dragons ever go to Westeros? Why did the mighty armies of the Freehold stop expanding? Something seems to have stopped them from comming to Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcotron Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 When asked how far a Westerosi army can move in one day, GRRM said, "As far as they need to for the story". Obviously that was somewhat facetious, but anyone who's tried to work out movement times in the story knows that it's not one of the things he puts the most thought into.So, I don't think the answer to why the Valyrian Freehold never conquered Westeros is that it's too far for a dragon to fly in a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordsteve666 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 When asked how far a Westerosi army can move in one day, GRRM said, "As far as they need to for the story". Obviously that was somewhat facetious, but anyone who's tried to work out movement times in the story knows that it's not one of the things he puts the most thought into. So, I don't think the answer to why the Valyrian Freehold never conquered Westeros is that it's too far for a dragon to fly in a day. My thinking exactly. Something was stopping them comming here, either from at home within the Freehold (think politics, disputes within the halls of power etc, public opinion?) or from without (I.e something in Westeros stopping/warning them off). The Freehold was an entity that destroyed the Rhoynar, the Ghiscari and many other groups, must have been something serious to stop their further expansion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Arthur Hightower Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 That's one thing I've always wondered. When the Targaryens moved to Dragonstone from Valyria did they send out recon flights over Westeros? The way history is explained in the series it's like one day Aegon suddenly pops up out of thin air to take Westeros. I'd have thought with dragons living only a day away from Westeros they would have been a quite common sight in the skies prior to the invasion but we hear no tales prior to that of things seen in the sky. Not even any sailors tales of flying beasts or mention of any raids. And even before the Targaryens moved there seems to be no mention of dragons being seen anywhere in Westeros despite the Freehold controlling lands right up to the edge of the narrow sea. There don't even seem to be many tales from Dorne about dragons, and they are a people who were effectively refugees from the wars against the Freehold. Why did no dragons ever go to Westeros? Why did the mighty armies of the Freehold stop expanding? Something seems to have stopped them from comming to Westeros. They only conquered parts of western Essos ~600 years before the Doom, other parts may have been considerably later. 600 years is a long time, but in in GRRMverse it really isn't that much. So it isn't too difficult to say that they just hadn't gotten around to Westeros yet. Plus Valyrian expansion was largely slave based and in the case of the Rhoynar only went full scale when the enemy launches a war against the Freehold. If they had a steady supply of slaves and there wasn't enough motivation in terms of defence for Dragonlords to leave their cozy palaces in Valyria then it may well be that there was not desire or ability to conquer Westeros. Plus I don't think we can assume that other Dragonlords would have conquered as easily as Aegon did, apparently fighting between the 40 Dragonlord families was common enough, so most dragons may not have even gotten that large before being killed/severely wounded in battle. Also most of Westeros wasn't exactly using great anti-dragon tactics, if Mern and Loreon had surrounded their positions with archers/scorpions they might have actually succeeded in killing or wounding something. When they destroyed Ghis and the Rhoynar the Freehold itself was under threat, every noble with a dragon would accept war and likely fight himself, if there was no threat to Valyria or its holdings. When Volantis was under threat they could only initially get three dragons out of more than 300. The modern day equivalent might be Robb only being able to raise 3-4,000 to defend White Harbor. So the idea that all the nobles of Valyria would happily jump on their dragons for an aggressive was 1,000s of miles away has no basis in history. The fact that Ghis survived 4 wars and the Rhoynar made took 300 dragons show that in general a large number of dragons (and thus a large number of riders who don't answer to anyone except themselves/the head of their noble family) would be needed to conquer/destroy a civilisation. That Aegon was able to conquer Westeros with 3 is due to a number of factors; likely due to him having larger than average dragons, them being willing to accept the preexisting feudal structure, weakness of the current kings in Westeros, and Aegon's good planning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mediterraneo Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Cool! book references are the best for these things, with the SSMs. I thought I could add a lower ranking "speculation" data. On a 10 seconds internet search, I found some references on some individual albatross flying 6000 kilometers in 12 days, for a media of 500 km per day. Maybe a bigger beast than an albatross could be a better comparison, but I bet that Albatrosses are the best reference we have in Earth's living creatures. I'm thinking Albatrosses and not some predatory birds for speeds because rapaces do stop to haunt and things, they don't tend to migrate "in a straight line" like Albatrosses do. Also, the flight of the Albatross has the advantage of being very energy efficient. Limiting the energy needs in flight could help the dragon not having to stop to eat two horses or a dolphin (or whorse, a deep swimming fish) while flying with a rider on him. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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