purple-eyes Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 He did not need to tell cat jon is son of rhaegar. He could just say he is son of lyanna with somebody else, for example, arthur dayne, whent or even an unknown servant. They all dead and gone. Arthur would forgive him for the sake of rhaegar. He still can ask cat to keep this secret from everybody else for sake of stark family. So the honor of lyanna or arthur or whent would not be harmed. I think Cat would respect him on this. But cat would be much less bitter and also jon would be much better taken care of. It is a win-win situation, isn it? I mean only told Cat. He still can tell everybody else jon is his bastard. So nothing more dangerous here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Because that would stain Lyanna's honour, saying she had a child with "someone". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 It's none of Catelyn's business who Jon's mother is and why give her that info to agonize over? Nor is Ned going to lay Jon's paternity on someone who isn't his father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 Because that would stain Lyanna's honour, saying she had a child with "someone". I said that he only told cat. And honor of lyanna was still same for everybody else. And she was supposed to be taken and raped. Why would it stain her honor more if cat knew she got a child from it? That was quite natural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Sharya Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 ^Plus it wouldn't take long for someone to put the timeline together and suspect Jon being the son of Rhaegar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 It's none of Catelyn's business who Jon's mother is and why give her that info to agonize over? Nor is Ned going to lay Jon's paternity on someone who isn't his father. Because cat was angry for the betrayal of Ned and also was not nice to jon due to her bitterness. These were influential on Jon's life. If cat knew Ned did this for his sister, she would be much better and treat jon well too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsunray Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 If you can't keep the secret for yourself, how could you ever ask someone else to keep the secret. Because if Ned can tell Cat, then he can also tell Jon, and Cat can tell Sansa, etc. All you do by sharing the secret is passing on the responsibility for the other to remain silent. And as if Cat couldn't figure out the father would be Rhaegar, once she knows Jon is Lyanna's child. It endangers anyone else's life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 ^Plus it wouldn't take long for someone to put the timeline together and suspect Jon being the son of Rhaegar. I meant he only told his wife about this. Everything else remained same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 If you can't keep the secret for yourself, how could you ever ask someone else to keep the secret. Because if Ned can tell Cat, then he can also tell Jon, and Cat can tell Sansa, etc. All you do by sharing the secret is passing on the responsibility for the other to remain silent.And as if Cat couldn't figure out the father would be Rhaegar, once she knows Jon is Lyanna's child.It endangers anyone else's life. So again the trust issue. However, howland reed, Wylla and some daynes all kept the secret. Why do you think Cat can not keep it? She is less trustful to Ned than Wylla? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ice Wolf of Loki Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 If Cat was nice to her husbands bastard who lived with them it would be suspicious she's not that Southron (i.e. Dornish). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASOIAF_Ali Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I can only guess that the reason Ned didn't tell Cat was something to do with the promise that he made Lyanna, maybe she made him promise to tell no-one? And Ned is probably too honourable to break his promises on purpose. Also, at the time, Ned didn't know Cat that well so maybe he felt he couldn't trust her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Because cat was angry for the betrayal of Ned and also was not nice to jon due to her bitterness. These were influential on Jon's life. If cat knew Ned did this for his sister, she would be much better and treat jon well too. Jon is fine regardless of Catelyn's treatment of him, it's one woman who just resented him and so what if she did its not that serious. It's not serious enough for Ned to reveal Jon's mother and make a false father. Anyways Jon deserves to know anything concerning his mother or real father before Catelyn does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonCon's Red Beard Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Because cat was angry for the betrayal of Ned and also was not nice to jon due to her bitterness. These were influential on Jon's life. If cat knew Ned did this for his sister, she would be much better and treat jon well too. Ned didn't trust Cat, nor had any reasons to. They got married, were apart from one year and then, he returned with a baby. The best for them was to say it was his bastard. By saying it was Lyanna's, that would have caused so many questions. Imagine Cat had been told Jon was Lyanna's with Arthur. She would be wondering why Ned doesn't take him with the Daynes to be raised. Or the Whents or whoever he said Lyanna had sex with. Then, she would resent him for be around even though he didn't have to be, as he had a "real" family. Instead, he's staining theirs with his presence. Also, remember that when Ned returned to Winterfell, he did with the knowledge of Robert supporting the murder of Rhaegar's kids. He knew that, had Robert found out about Jon, he would be asking for his head as well as for Ned's (he would be committing betrayal). By lying Cat, he feels she's protected as she won't ever find herself in a position in which she could tell anyone the "truth". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 Jon is fine regardless of Catelyn's treatment of him, it's one woman who just resented him and so what if she did its not that serious. It's not serious enough for Ned to reveal Jon's mother and make a false father. Anyways Jon deserves to know anything concerning his mother or real father before Catelyn does. But Cat was also deeply hurt for many years. And your last sentence did not make sense. Jon deserves to know before Cat? What does this mean? Howland reed and a bunch of people already knew before him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 Oh. I forgot. He can also tell her this is the son of brandon and some random girl or even ashara dayne. Then said to Cat: see? I am a better husband than brandon. Seriously, jon is so stark. He can very safely say this is the only child of my late brother and I had to raise him here. He was a bastard so no need to worry about the heir issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb_Warged Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 It's none of Catelyn's business who Jon's mother is and why give her that info to agonize over? Nor is Ned going to lay Jon's paternity on someone who isn't his father. This is pretty insensitive to her marriage with Ned, and the sort of communication a married individual deserves to have with their spouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 But Cat was also deeply hurt for many years. And your last sentence did not make sense. Jon deserves to know before Cat? What does this mean? Howland reed and a bunch of people already knew before him. I doubt Catelyn knowing about Jon's real parents is going to put an end to her resentment she's spent to many years resenting his presence I doubt Ned telling her anything is going to suddenly stop her resenting him. Of course Jon deserves to know before Cat that's his mother and father who he's been denied to know about they matter to him when they would mean nothing to Cat except her husband's sister. And no there is no "Howland Reed and a bunch of people" already know about Jon only Benjen and Howland can be assumed to know about Jon's real parents there are no bunch of people who know about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsunray Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 So again the trust issue. However, howland reed, Wylla and some daynes all kept the secret. Why do you think Cat can not keep it? She is less trustful to Ned than Wylla? Who says the Daynes know? They think Jon is Wylla's child. Yes, HR and Wylla know. That's already 2 people. And they were witnesses. Wylla probably was already present at the ToJ most likely. What should Ned have done? Murder them? It's not a "trust" issue. It's selfish to share the secret because you find it too difficult to keep and then ask someone else to keep it instead. And it could endanger Cat's life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 This is pretty insensitive to her marriage with Ned, and the sort of communication a married individual deserves to have with their spouse. Exactly. If I were in Ned's shoes, I would secretly tell Cat this is the bastard son of his brother brandon or his sister lyanna with some random person. Then cat would feel much better and jon would be better raised too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 This is pretty insensitive to her marriage with Ned, and the sort of communication a married individual deserves to have with their spouse. Cat wants nothing to do with Jon so no I don't think that she deserved information like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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