purple-eyes Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Ok. So this always bothers me. dany and Barri and jorah mentioned something like " at trident, people gave up their lives because they believed in rhaegar's cause." Something like that. Then they started to say he fought nobly and honorably. What exactly is his cause which he declared to the people to persuade them to fight for him? " I loved deeply the fiancée of Robert so I took her, you guys should help me to kill him. Then the girl will be mine" this sounds very lame. " my father was so mad and he burned people alive. You guys should help me to win this war and then I will depose him." This makes more sense but is it ok for him to speak this to those loyalists before the war? Many people are still fighting for the king. This is a treason, honestly. Not ok to speak around. Better to keep as a secret. What cause did rhaegar use to persuade people fight for him? And what explanation did he give to his father and Elia and his friends in KL about the kidnapping thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Wraith Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Rhaegar's cause was to defeat Robert then call a council to remove the Mad King. Then Robert had to muck it all up by killing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 They probably believed in the individual, as for why, I'll never understand because frankly he is pretty unimpressive but I suppose you have Aerys as your king long enough and anything seems like a big improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 They probably believed in the individual, as for why, I'll never understand because frankly he is pretty unimpressive but I suppose you have Aerys as your king long enough and anything seems like a big improvement. Oh, you knew him personally? Cause the people who did were impressed by him. The only person in the whole story who is anti-Rhaegar is Robert and he's biased cause Rhae Rhae took his girl. Rhaegar's cause was to defeat Robert then call a council to remove the Mad King. Then Robert had to muck it all up by killing him. Pretty much. Defeat the rebellion, then fix things. Also he was dedicated to saving the realm from ice zombies. And since they actually showed up, points to Rhae Rhae for thinking ahead and being right on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby b's bobby Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Look at me I'm not crazy, almost competent and the heir please help for the cause For the kidnapping whoops my bad guys i didn't think disappearing with an Lp's daughter for a year and not telling anyone especially my crazy dad would go bad who'd a thunk it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Look at me I'm not crazy, almost competent and the heir please help for the cause For the kidnapping whoops my bad guys i didn't think disappearing with an Lp's daughter for a year and not telling anyone especially my crazy dad would go bad who'd a thunk it? He probably didn't expect the media to pick up on it so fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxter Redwyne Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Oh, you knew him personally? Cause the people who did were impressed by him. The only person in the whole story who is anti-Rhaegar is Robert and he's biased cause Rhae Rhae took his girl. Pretty much. Defeat the rebellion, then fix things. Also he was dedicated to saving the realm from ice zombies. And since they actually showed up, points to Rhae Rhae for thinking ahead and being right on that one. Emmm... who in westeros care about others? Everyone consider them on same level as snarks and grumpkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aryagonnakill#2 Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 ^Exactly, Rhaegars caring about the prophecies was a good call especially considering no 1 else believed them... what are you trying to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balerion the kitten Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Ok. So this always bothers me. dany and Barri and jorah mentioned something like " at trident, people gave up their lives because they believed in rhaegar's cause." Something like that. Then they started to say he fought nobly and honorably. What exactly is his cause which he declared to the people to persuade them to fight for him? " I loved deeply the fiancée of Robert so I took her, you guys should help me to kill him. Then the girl will be mine" this sounds very lame. " my father was so mad and he burned people alive. You guys should help me to win this war and then I will depose him." This makes more sense but is it ok for him to speak this to those loyalists before the war? Many people are still fighting for the king. This is a treason, honestly. Not ok to speak around. Better to keep as a secret. What cause did rhaegar use to persuade people fight for him? And what explanation did he give to his father and Elia and his friends in KL about the kidnapping thing?Show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Suburbs Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Ok. So this always bothers me. dany and Barri and jorah mentioned something like " at trident, people gave up their lives because they believed in rhaegar's cause." Something like that. Then they started to say he fought nobly and honorably. What exactly is his cause which he declared to the people to persuade them to fight for him? " I loved deeply the fiancée of Robert so I took her, you guys should help me to kill him. Then the girl will be mine" this sounds very lame. " my father was so mad and he burned people alive. You guys should help me to win this war and then I will depose him." This makes more sense but is it ok for him to speak this to those loyalists before the war? Many people are still fighting for the king. This is a treason, honestly. Not ok to speak around. Better to keep as a secret. What cause did rhaegar use to persuade people fight for him? And what explanation did he give to his father and Elia and his friends in KL about the kidnapping thing? It might just be a case of Barry and Jorah whitewashing the truth a little for Dany's benefit. It sounds better than "...and the people Rhaegar dragooned into his army." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Emmm... who in westeros care about others? Everyone consider them on same level as snarks and grumpkins Stannis...the king who cared. But you made my point. Rhae Rhae was ahead of his time. And you know when he was killed and then the Others did not immediately swoop in and kill everyone because he was gone...well the following probably started to forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Commentator Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Ok. So this always bothers me. dany and Barri and jorah mentioned something like " at trident, people gave up their lives because they believed in rhaegar's cause." Something like that. Then they started to say he fought nobly and honorably. What exactly is his cause which he declared to the people to persuade them to fight for him? " I loved deeply the fiancée of Robert so I took her, you guys should help me to kill him. Then the girl will be mine" this sounds very lame. " my father was so mad and he burned people alive. You guys should help me to win this war and then I will depose him." This makes more sense but is it ok for him to speak this to those loyalists before the war? Many people are still fighting for the king. This is a treason, honestly. Not ok to speak around. Better to keep as a secret. What cause did rhaegar use to persuade people fight for him? And what explanation did he give to his father and Elia and his friends in KL about the kidnapping thing? To preserve the Targaryen monarchy. And maybe he didn't abduct Lyanna. She could just as easily decided to run away on her own. Perhaps a raven was sent with a message to Winterfell, it never arrived or it did and the message was never passed to the right person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Tarly Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 It is heavily implied by Eddards POV in AGOT that Lyanna didn't love Robert. It's also possible that Lyanna loved Rhaegar and ran off with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Oh, you knew him personally? Cause the people who did were impressed by him. The only person in the whole story who is anti-Rhaegar is Robert and he's biased cause Rhae Rhae took his girl. Pretty much. Defeat the rebellion, then fix things. Also he was dedicated to saving the realm from ice zombies. And since they actually showed up, points to Rhae Rhae for thinking ahead and being right on that one. I don't need to know him personally to find him unimpressive, nor do you have to hate him to be unimpressed by him. He never accomplished anything of note but winning a few tourneys and getting killed by Robert. I don't personally know Robert Baratheon but I can see why people followed and we're impressed by him, with Rhaegar it seems to be purely allure and that he was a much better choice compared to his father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Tarly Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I don't need to know him personally to find him unimpressive, nor do you have to hate him to be unimpressed by him. He never accomplished anything of note but winning a few tourneys and getting killed by Robert. I don't personally know Robert Baratheon but I can see why people followed and we're impressed by him, with Rhaegar it seems to be purely allure and that he was a much better choice compared to his father. Hmm. Dies young, at about 25, never became King, had a paranoid father constantly watching him, and didn't accomplish anything but becoming one of the greatest swordsmen in all the land, winning dozens of tourneys, becoming an accomplished musician, and learning and reading through dozens of histories and prophecies to the extent that he knew the WW were coming almost 20 years before they came and began planning for it... Yet he accomplished nothing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Hmm. Dies young, at about 25, never became King, had a paranoid father constantly watching him, and didn't accomplish anything but becoming one of the greatest swordsmen in all the land, winning dozens of tourneys, becoming an accomplished musician, and learning and reading through dozens of histories and prophecies to the extent that he knew the WW were coming almost 20 years before they came and began planning for it... Yet he accomplished nothing... List these dozens of tourneys he won At least we agree he pretty much accomplished nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 Hmm. Dies young, at about 25, never became King, had a paranoid father constantly watching him, and didn't accomplish anything but becoming one of the greatest swordsmen in all the land, winning dozens of tourneys, becoming an accomplished musician, and learning and reading through dozens of histories and prophecies to the extent that he knew the WW were coming almost 20 years before they came and began planning for it... Yet he accomplished nothing... Come on. He only won one tourney. Who said he is one of the greatest swordsman in all the land? How did you know he knew WW? He only knew something like the promised prince and dragon has three heads. The former was told by wood witch long time ago before his birth. The latter was set three hundred years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I don't need to know him personally to find him unimpressive, nor do you have to hate him to be unimpressed by him. He never accomplished anything of note but winning a few tourneys and getting killed by Robert. I don't personally know Robert Baratheon but I can see why people followed and we're impressed by him, with Rhaegar it seems to be purely allure and that he was a much better choice compared to his father. We know a lot more about Robert than we do about Rhaegar. Prince Emo has been kept deliberately hidden from us to a large extent. I think judgment on his impressivness, or lack thereof, should be withheld until we know more. Hmm. Dies young, at about 25, never became King, had a paranoid father constantly watching him, and didn't accomplish anything but becoming one of the greatest swordsmen in all the land, winning dozens of tourneys, becoming an accomplished musician, and learning and reading through dozens of histories and prophecies to the extent that he knew the WW were coming almost 20 years before they came and began planning for it... Yet he accomplished nothing... ^ This. Plus he secured the line by producing two healthy children, one of whom was even a boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 We know a lot more about Robert than we do about Rhaegar. Prince Emo has been kept deliberately hidden from us to a large extent. I think judgment on his impressivness, or lack thereof, should be withheld until we know more. ^ This. Plus he secured the line by producing two healthy children, one of whom was even a boy. I have to say rhaegar did pretty well in knocking up women. He collected three kids in about three years. And everyone seems to be conceived very quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Come on. He only won one tourney. Who said he is one of the greatest swordsman in all the land? How did you know he knew WW? He only knew something like the promised prince and dragon has three heads. The former was told by wood witch long time ago before his birth. The latter was set three hundred years ago. He won more than one tourney. You don't get a reputation for being a great fighter by winning exactly one tourney. Unlike us, Rhaegar actually read the ENTIRE prophecy, and knew about the threat from the Others. The prophecy goes back long before that woods witch (who by the way only came into the picture a couple of years before Rhaegar's birth); her only contribution was that Aerys and Rhaella had to get married to produce The Dragon that was Promised. See, Rhaegar knew things like that TDtwP needing to be a warrior, so at about age ten he put down his books and went to work learning how to fight like a boss. The dragon having three heads may go back further than three hundred years. It's quite possible that Aegon chose the three-headed dragon as his sigil because of the prophecy. It may well have come from Daenys "the dreamer" Targaryen, and the three heads of the dragon may be original TO the prophecy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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