Rickyhunt Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Ive read different things that say yes and no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scootaloo Stark Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 As far as I know, Martin said so himself. Yes. I just can't find it right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minuteman Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 In Mels POV she mentions having finger bones which I take to mean that she has Davos' missing finger bones. She's also left at CB with Shireen, Selyse, and Devan, Davos' son, who very unlike his father is a devout worshiper of R'hllor. Stannis would never kill Shireen as he values her life as his heir above his own. Selyse wouldn't allow her to be killed either partly because she is her mother but mostly because she would not defy her husband. Devan has no particular attachment to Shireen and is infatuated with Mel. So I'm thinking Mel puts a glamour on Devan to mimic Davos and the two convince Selyse that Stannis has ordered Shireen sacrificed for the greater good of the realm and the promise that R'hllor will ensure she conceives a son in lieu of her daughter. What comes after regarding the relationships between Mel, Stannis, Selyse, Davos, and Devan will be rich in drama I suspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Bastard Snow Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Honestly I can imagine Selyse being happy to offer her daughter to the lord of light.She's completely devoted to Mel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLordProtector Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I'm of the opinion that Mel will do it off her own bat, Maybe as am attempt to resurrect Jon after seeing something more clearly in her fires... Maybe... I dunno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphalesion Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I'm of the opinion that Mel will do it off her own bat, Maybe as am attempt to resurrect Jon after seeing something more clearly in her fires... Maybe... I dunno That's the interesting part, I don't doubt that the reasons and circumstances for Shireen's death were completely changed by the show. Who will be involved in the burning? Who, if anybody, will command it? What will be the reasons and desired goals? Who will know about it? And will it be connected to Stannis' death? Would Shireen's murder be devastating enough for Stannis to lose his drive and let himself be killed by his next adversary? If it is done to resurrect Jon, will Stannis fall fighting a resurrected Jon to avenge his daughter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Honestly I can imagine Selyse being happy to offer her daughter to the lord of light.She's completely devoted to Mel. In general yes, but Selyse also cares about her only child as Stannis' heir as well as being their only child. I'm really hoping that Selyse offers herself as a sacrifice, on the basis of her family claiming descent from the old Gardener kings of the Reach. Of course when that doesn't work, Mel will turn to Shireen and there will be no one there to protect her. So OP, basically yes, and I expect Val to light the torch. This is one of the reasons Jon had to be stabbed...he'd never let it happen, so he has to be out of commission to the extent that he is unaware what is happening or at the very least unable to stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphalesion Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 So OP, basically yes, and I expect Val to light the torch. Val? Interesting can you elaborate on that? Would she work with Mellisandre to get Jon back? Possibly because she still thinks he has stolen her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspoi Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I am of the opinion that she will die, although in this case it is to bring Jon Snow back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balerion the kitten Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I don't like the idea of "Stannis is too awesome to kill his own daughter" and "it will just be Mel". If it came to it (and I suspect it will) Stannis would kill Shireen. I never asked for this crown. Gold is cold and heavy on the head, but so long as I am the king, I have a duty ... If I must sacrifice one child to the flames to save a million from the dark ... Sacrifice ... is never easy, Davos. Or it is no true sacrifice. I never asked for this, no more than I asked to be king. Yet dare I disregard her? We do not choose our destinies. Yet we must ... we must do our duty, no? Great or small, we must do our duty. I know the cost! Last night, gazing into that hearth, I saw things in the flames as well. I saw a king, a crown of fire on his brows, burning ... burning, Davos. His own crown consumed his flesh and turned him into ash. Do you think I need Melisandre to tell me what that means? Or you?It doesn't matter if in winds he said [spoiler]If he died Shireen should be seated on the iron throne[/spoiler] What's the iron throne worth if the kingdom is destroyed? He believe he's Azor Ahai. So he believes he must save the seven kingdoms. And if he thinks that involves burning Shireen, then he'll carry out his "duty" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truly Just Man Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 He believe he's Azor Ahai. So he believes he must save the seven kingdoms. That's debatable. I think that burning Shireen is an idea GRRM is at this point considering into writing. We'll never know until it's written or the series are done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Shireen will not die. It does not make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspoi Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Balerion the Kitten@ While I am unsure whether Stannis would sacrifice Shireen, actually if the circumstanes were extreme enough (and I mean "the Others are taking over the world" extreme) he probably would, one of the main reasons that I doubt that Stannis will sacrifice her atleast in the forseeable future (and by then she would be dead) is logistical, after all he is down in Winterfell while she is in the relative safety of the Nightfort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenlyIsNotRight Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I feel like it's been pretty obvious since ADWD that Shireen is not long for the world, but I actually think it'd be more interesting if it ends up being the Wildlings who burn her as was suggested. Were it to be Melisandre though, I'd imagine she'd do it to bring back Jon. And then there's also the question of whether or not Stannis is involved in the decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphalesion Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 @Balerion, I consider every possibility he could be involved, he cold be not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RenlyIsNotRight Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I don't like the idea of "Stannis is too awesome to kill his own daughter" and "it will just be Mel". If it came to it (and I suspect it will) Stannis would kill Shireen. It doesn't matter if in winds he said [spoiler]If he died Shireen should be seated on the iron throne[/spoiler] What's the iron throne worth if the kingdom is destroyed? He believe he's Azor Ahai. So he believes he must save the seven kingdoms. And if he thinks that involves burning Shireen, then he'll carry out his "duty" While I definitely understand this reasoning I disagree that Stannis believes he's Azor Ahai. Stannis does, however, acknowledge that R'hllor has tangible power, which is why I think under truly desperate circumstances (read: not "20 Good Men burned my food") it would not be entirely out of the cards for Stannis to burn Shireen. However, it'd really have to be the difference between the survival of the entire realm, like the incurring invasion of The Others or something. It wouldn't make sense for Stannis to burn his only heir for any other reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Val? Interesting can you elaborate on that? Would she work with Mellisandre to get Jon back? Possibly because she still thinks he has stolen her? No, she just thinks Shireen is a greyscale epidemic waiting to happen and has made comments about how the girl should have been killed before. If she thought it would save Jon that would be an extra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butterbumps! Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 [mod] Just a reminder that discussion of the show, mentioning who dies in the show, and talking about divergences in the way the show handles things from the books are not allowed in this forum. Take that discussion over to the GoT sections. Thank you. [/mod] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLordProtector Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I do find that rule very odd - given that for the past five years any book discussion on the show sections would have been spoilerific. Now I guess it probably makes a bit more sense... but meh, who am I to argue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToTheWolves Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Mel and selyse hearing of stannis's "death" will sacrifice shireen to bring back stannis who they believe to be azor ahai, but instead Jon will rise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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