Rickyhunt Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I was thinking about Jamie's fever dream about his mother his mother says All Tywin wanted was for his son to be a knight and his daughter a queen to which Jamie responds I am a knight and cersei is a queen and then his mother has a tear roll down her face. She says Tywin wanted his children to be so brave and beautiful that no one would ever laugh at them as this is Tywin biggest fear he hated how people treated his father and his family but when we think of tyrion people constantly laugh at him to the annoyance of Tywin he jousts on a pig and is a dwarf constantly embarrassing his family with frequent whoring and drunkenness could tyrion ironically be the only child who is tywins? I know A+J=T is a popular theory and a lot of people want tyrion to be the third head of the dragon but I have never really believed in the theory Does anyone have any additional evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nataliespeaking Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 I think joffrey's hair is almost white blond in the show and Tyrion's is sandy blonde. Yes Tyrion's is white blond in the books but maybe the show's producers didn't want to give us that red herring and instead a different clue. I personally think it would be the greatest irony and in favor of the twins being targaryens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerey Targaryen Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I think joffrey's hair is almost white blond in the show and Tyrion's is sandy blonde. Yes Tyrion's is white blond in the books but maybe the show's producers didn't want to give us that red herring and instead a different clue. I personally think it would be the greatest irony and in favor of the twins being targaryens. Character depictions in the show aren't always spot on, nor are they relevant to the books. Kit Harrington has black hair, but Jon Snow's hair is brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolves Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Cersei and Jaime are Tywin's evil children don't put those freaks on Aerys(though the Targs are not so great) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boarsbane Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Cersei and Jaime are Tywin's evil children don't put those freaks on Aerys(though the Targs are not so great) Aerys is a freak so I don't know why of all the possible reasons for this ridiculous theory to be false that you would latch onto that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 TWOIAF makes it sound like Aerys was nowhere near Joanna when the twins would have been conceived. She left King's Landing shortly after marrying Tywin and lived at Casterly Rock. The twins weren't born until three years into the marriage. GRRM personally added that Joanna did visit King's Landing the year before Tyrion was born though. That along with all the other Targ-esque things in Tyrion's arc have led me to one conclusion...GRRM is trolling us on Tyrion. The entire point of making him seem like he could be a Targ is so that characters in-story (including Tyrion himself) will wonder about his paternity when he ends up riding a dragon. Wouldn't surprise me if in fact Tyrion is Tywin's and the twins aren't, just because it seems the author has gone to such great lengths to get us thinking the opposite. A giant golden herring, if you will. On the other hand...Cersei and Jaime could be not Tywin's and still not be Aerys' kids either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of the West Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 It could of course be, but I think that the relations between Tywin and Tyrion and its significance would be demolish if Tyrion wasn't Tywin's, same with Jaime and Cersei. I'm a bit short on time but I'll try to get back later for a longer post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 It could of course be, but I think that the relations between Tywin and Tyrion and its significance would be demolish if Tyrion wasn't Tywin's, same with Jaime and Cersei. I'm a bit short on time but I'll try to get back later for a longer post. I've never bought that argument. But I still think Tyrion is Tywin's son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloodraven's Bastard Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I've never bought that argument. But I still think Tyrion is Tywin's son. Why ? Because he killed his daddy ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bent branch Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 TWOIAF makes it sound like Aerys was nowhere near Joanna when the twins would have been conceived. She left King's Landing shortly after marrying Tywin and lived at Casterly Rock. The twins weren't born until three years into the marriage. GRRM personally added that Joanna did visit King's Landing the year before Tyrion was born though. That along with all the other Targ-esque things in Tyrion's arc have led me to one conclusion...GRRM is trolling us on Tyrion. The entire point of making him seem like he could be a Targ is so that characters in-story (including Tyrion himself) will wonder about his paternity when he ends up riding a dragon. Wouldn't surprise me if in fact Tyrion is Tywin's and the twins aren't, just because it seems the author has gone to such great lengths to get us thinking the opposite. A giant golden herring, if you will. On the other hand...Cersei and Jaime could be not Tywin's and still not be Aerys' kids either. The problem I have with this argument is that Tyrion being Aerys' bastard is very much a minority view. If GRRM was trying to get everyone to think Tyrion is Aerys' bastard just to say, "Surprise! It is really the twins who are Aerys' bastard", then he has failed miserably. For A+J=T to be an effective red herring most people would actually have to believe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Tyrell Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I'd certainly prefer this to Tyrion being Aerys child. At least it adds something to their characters instead of simply letting one off the hook for murdering their own father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I'd certainly prefer this to Tyrion being Aerys child. At least it adds something to their characters instead of simply letting one off the hook for murdering their own father. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Why ? Because he killed his daddy ? No, because it's rather silly to say that it would somehow ruin the dynamic between them and the tragedy of their situation. Or that it would make Tywin's treatment of Tyrion justified, which is another one that gets thrown out sometimes. In my opinion it would just make Tyrion and Tywin's relationship a bit more complex by adding a layer. It changes the dynamic, but it doesn't ruin, cheapen, or lessen it in any way. I have this crazy thing where I trust the author to be able to write any twist in a way that works and adds to the story. Odd, I know, but I've always been quirky. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blizzardborn Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I'd certainly prefer this to Tyrion being Aerys child. At least it adds something to their characters instead of simply letting one off the hook for murdering their own father. Not really. He still thought Tywin was his father when he pulled the trigger, or whatever it is crossbows have. And he's still a blood relative so the kinslayer thing still applies, just to a slightly lesser degree. And it also would have the added irony of Tyrion killing Jaime's father while Jaime killed Tyrion's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdallah Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I was thinking about Jamie's fever dream about his mother his mother says All Tywin wanted was for his son to be a knight and his daughter a queen to which Jamie responds I am a knight and cersei is a queen and then his mother has a tear roll down her face. She says Tywin wanted his children to be so brave and beautiful that no one would ever laugh at them as this is Tywin biggest fear he hated how people treated his father and his family but when we think of tyrion people constantly laugh at him to the annoyance of Tywin he jousts on a pig and is a dwarf constantly embarrassing his family with frequent whoring and drunkenness could tyrion ironically be the only child who is tywins? I know A+J=T is a popular theory and a lot of people want tyrion to be the third head of the dragon but I have never really believed in the theory Does anyone have any additional evidence? I saw a vid about that. while its not likely cause Aerys would have gloated about it. Jaime and Cersei are Narcissus in the fleash. Wouldn't that be ironic, the son tywin wants is not his son, the son he hates was his son. Now if Tyrion was aerys dad, That would mean two half brothers killed each other's father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nictarion Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I'd certainly prefer this to Tyrion being Aerys child. At least it adds something to their characters instead of simply letting one off the hook for murdering their own father.I think it would be a neat twist if Jaime and Tyrion both killed eachothers father's. As to the A+J=C&J, TWoIaF pretty much put that to rest. It certainly played with idea of A+J=T though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victarion Chainbreaker Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 My favorite bit of evidence for this is when Jaime returns to KL and proposes to Cersei that they live openly as brother-sister couple like the dragon lords of old, to which Cersei replies "We are not Targaryens!" And we all know that Cersei is always wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craster'sFavouriteSon Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 The fact that Cersei and Jaime possess the classic Lannister looks is a crucial piece of evidence that can debunk this theory. Don't they both have emerald green eyes flecked with gold, that Tywin also has? That's a very specific physical trait. With Tyrion there's possible clues in his physical appearance. But really, Tywin doesn't seem like the type who would let Aerys do what he willed with his wife, king or no king. He served as his Hand for 20 years, and only quit after Aerys named Jaime to the Kingsguard. There is no way Tywin would value Jaime as his heir that much if he had doubts that he was his father. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victarion Chainbreaker Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 The fact that Cersei and Jaime possess the classic Lannister looks is a crucial piece of evidence that can debunk this theory. Don't they both have emerald green eyes flecked with gold, that Tywin also has? That's a very specific physical trait. With Tyrion there's possible clues in his physical appearance. But really, Tywin doesn't seem like the type who would let Aerys do what he willed with his wife, king or no king. He served as his Hand for 20 years, and only quit after Aerys named Jaime to the Kingsguard. There is no way Tywin would value Jaime as his heir that much if he had doubts that he was his father. Cersei and Jaime's mother Joanna was a Lannister in her own right, and could have passed on the Lannister traits. Tywin not suspecting Jaime and Cersei's parentage doesn't prove anything. The fact that he did suspect Tyrion's parentage kinda undercuts your second paragraph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Potsmoke Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 For sure and Cersei is going to go full circle and try and burn KL like Aerys did, then hopefully Jamie will kill her, then sadly she will kill him too and they can die embracing like he wants. Fantastic story idea, when i thought of the Cersei doing a Aerys on KL i almost shat myself with excitment ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Archived
This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.