TimJames Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Say instead of sending the assassin after him, the assassin is first sent after one of Renly's bodyguards as a warning. It works, and Renly decides that losing his crown is better than losing his head. Do you think things would be different if Renly and Stannis worked together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In A Coat of Gold Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 The Tyrells would abandon them in short order. Stannis and a Florent Queen keep them far from their goals. Why, young king Joffrey Baratheon is unmarried and already on the throne. Have the marriage to Renly annulled and offer her to Tywin. Same result, except Renly dies on the Blackwater or on Dragonstone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimJames Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 The Tyrells would abandon them in short order. Stannis and a Florent Queen keep them far from their goals. Why, young king Joffrey Baratheon is unmarried and already on the throne. Have the marriage to Renly annulled and offer her to Tywin. Same result, except Renly dies on the Blackwater or on Dragonstone. Can't anull consummated marriages. Plus Renly has Margaery in his hands, so she could be used as a hostage to ensure the Tyrells don't chicken out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb Snow Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 And the tyrells still could go for a marriage with princess shireen and count on stannis not having any male children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Tarly Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Then Stannis would be king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varyslostloveball Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Renly will be the heir and, assuming he can Lorasify Margaery enough to put a child in her and Stannis cant sire a son, so will their child after him. The real problem is that the Flaming Bambi will never forget how Mace tried to starve him to death and will make sure justice is finally brought upon The Reach. Which makes the alliance tenuous at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConfusedCounselor Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Can't anull consummated marriages. Plus Renly has Margaery in his hands, so she could be used as a hostage to ensure the Tyrells don't chicken out. Didn't they claim it wasn't consumated? Anyhow, the majority of his force was Tyrell bannerman, not sure Margaery was truly in his hands, or Renly in theirs if things got ugly. I think In a Coat of Gold has the right of it. I'm willing to entertain the notion that maybe, maybe Renly could have functioned as a go between to keep the Tyrells in, but Stannis is just so Stannis, especially at this point in the story, it seems unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Say instead of sending the assassin after him, the assassin is first sent after one of Renly's bodyguards as a warning. It works, and Renly decides that losing his crown is better than losing his head. Do you think things would be different if Renly and Stannis worked together? Do you not think Renly and his army would just attack him there and then. Finish him off like Tarly suggested rather than honouring the terms of their deal? What would you do if someone said they were going to assassinate you if you displeased them? You would try and beat them to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilish Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 The Tyrells would probably abandon him, preferring to whore Margaery with Joffrey instead of Renly. At that point it would be Baratheons vs Lannisters and Tyrells Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigUpHerBones Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Renly would have just then screwed Stannis later on when Renly's path to the IT had less obstacles... say after he was legit married to Marg and they had a boy. healthy baby boy potential heir vs grescale infected female heir? we know how the cards would fall there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sullen Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 The Tyrells leave to join Joffrey. If Renly survives the Blackwater, then he's probably left to guard Storm's End. Anyways, not much changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Mac Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 People overestimate how much support Renly would lose. When Renly died, Stannis got a large chunk of his men, Stormlanders and Reachmen alike. If Renlys still alive, I'd guess Stannis would get at least double. Also, Renly surrendering doesn't undo his marriage to Margaery. Mace would either have to abandon his daughter, or begrudgingly join Stannis. I see the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Steller Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 There's also Loras to consider. Loras would never abandon Renly, so the Tyrells might end up having to face their youngest and most renowned son in battle. Would they have the nerve to pull a Maekar Targaryen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 People overestimate how much support Renly would lose. When Renly died, Stannis got a large chunk of his men, Stormlanders and Reachmen alike. If Renlys still alive, I'd guess Stannis would get at least double. Also, Renly surrendering doesn't undo his marriage to Margaery. Mace would either have to abandon his daughter, or begrudgingly join Stannis. I see the latter. His sister is married to a Fossoway, as is his son Garlan. The Fossoways joined Stannis but Mace didnt as his position on him was pretty clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Mac Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 His sister is married to a Fossoway, as is his son Garlan. The Fossoways joined Stannis but Mace didnt as his position on him was pretty clear. As James Steller says above, Loras would be on Renlys side too, most likely. Would Mace be willing to turn against his two youngest and most beloved children because they joined a guy he thinks has a grudge against him? I just don't see it. The Tyrells are a compact family unit, probably the closest family in the series. They wouldnt rip themselves apart just because Mace doesn't like Stannis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sullen Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 People overestimate how much support Renly would lose. When Renly died, Stannis got a large chunk of his men, Stormlanders and Reachmen alike. If Renlys still alive, I'd guess Stannis would get at least double. Also, Renly surrendering doesn't undo his marriage to Margaery. Mace would either have to abandon his daughter, or begrudgingly join Stannis. I see the latter. The marriage was unconsumed, and with Renly joining Stannis, it could be argued to he bent the knee to a heathen. I wouldn't doubt that's grounds for annulment of the marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanïelNorth Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 If Renly would have taken stannis up on his offer the Tyrells would have backed them. First of all, Renly is everything Stannis isn't and vice versa. Renly would have been a great diplomat and spokesman for his cause, convincing lords to back Stannis with his charm. Renly would have probably pointed out that Stannis hasn't sired a male heir with Selyse yet in the past 10 years, and probably won't succeed in the future. The Tyrells were only drawn in the "Game" by Renly and wouldn't betray him that fast. Even if littlefinger would succeed in convincing the main power behind House Tyrell, Olenna Redwyne, Mace would never betray his son's "best friend". Renly, with his political aptitude and knowlegde of Stannis' morals would have gained almost as much power as the king himself if he would play his cards right. Anyhow, Renly was way to proud and the moment he declared himself King he would have never put down the crown again. The two brothers would have been a great team together, even better then Robert & Ned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaegar Estellion Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Why the fuck does everybody think the Tyrells would abandon Renly? They would have the choice between allying with the united Stormlands, a large part of the Crownlands, Stannis' military genius and having close marriage ties to the ruling house or the Westerlands which are currently having their asses kicked by Robb with a boy King of questionable legitimacy. The only smart idea would be to continue supporting Renly and Stannis, mopping the floor with the Lannisters and later look for a nice opportunity to have Stannis killed. Anything else would be plain stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Mac Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Why the fuck does everybody think the Tyrells would abandon Renly? They would have the choice between allying with the united Stormlands, a large part of the Crownlands, Stannis' military genius and having close marriage ties to the ruling house or the Westerlands which are currently having their asses kicked by Robb with a boy King of questionable legitimacy. The only smart idea would be to continue supporting Renly and Stannis, mopping the floor with the Lannisters and later look for a nice opportunity to have Stannis killed. Anything else would be plain stupid. I agree. The Tyrells might make plans to rid themselves of Stannis but it would be better to back him first. See if a Willas-Shireen marriage is in the cards too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelittledragonthatcould Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Why the fuck does everybody think the Tyrells would abandon Renly? Because they have consistently been against Stannis from the start of the series. 1. In AGOT we are told that the Reach Lords will rebel if Stannis is crowned 2. We see that after Renly is assasinated, rather than join Stannis they instead refuse and imprison and kill possible defectors to Stannis. 3. Stannis is married to a Florent, a future monarch with Florent blood threatens their hold on Highgarden and the Reach. Stannis' popularity in the fandom is not reflected in Westeros, were he is disliked. Few want him as King more importantly many actively dont want him as King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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