TheDrunkenDornishman Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I've seen multiple mentions on the forums of a possible RW v2.0 occurring at Daven Lannister's upcoming wedding at Riverrun. However, virtually all predictions I have seen involve a Stark revenge, whether it be from an attack by the BwB, Nymeria and her pack, or a combination. While either or both of these two groups may show up to take part in the bloodletting, neither seems like it would be wholly adequate for such a task. This is where I would like to point out what may cause enough chaos for them to be sufficient. The second Red Wedding will be, once again, instigated by the Freys. As part of his deal with the Lannisters, Walter was promised marriages between members of his family and Lancel Lannister,Daven Lannister, and Joy Hill. However, he has once again been seemingly snubbed. Lancel immediately set his new wife aside to join the Faith Militant, and on top of that insult, Joy Hill is now promised to the Westerlings, the same family Robb broke his own Frey betrothal for! Therefore, I believe it possible that Walder will, once again, turn on those who have slighted him, and will attempt the same feat accomplished at the Twins, at Riverrun. The chances go up if he hears of Aegon's success in the south, as such a betrayal could possibly help him, in his eyes at least, win favor with House Targaryen. I do think, though, that even if this happens, it will backfire on the Freys. Either the BwB and/or Nymeria's pack interrupts things, causing mass slaughter on both sides, or possibly Aegon will outright not care that Walder did him a favor, and execute him for breaking guest right (twice). Anyways, it was just a thought I had, not necessarily what I think is likely to happen. I'd appreciate everyone's thoughts on the matter though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grayce Hornwood Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 This makes more sense though. I like it. And it sticks to what we know of Walder's character. The only issue I could possibly see is that, with the Red Wedding v1.0 he had the Lannisters to back him in the killing of the Starks. With your version of the Red Wedding 2.0 he doesn't really have anyone backing him, or he just has the idea that he may gain favor by doing this. Not sure if he would risk it based on that, but we'll see I guess. :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Except Daven made it abundantly clear that he will make sure to control everything in his wedding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Barbrey Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I love the idea but I agree with Grayce that he wouldn't take the risk unless he has someone backing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good Guy Garlan Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Jeez, pulling one Red Wedding was risky enough, imagine doing two. Not even Walder is that dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDrunkenDornishman Posted September 4, 2015 Author Share Posted September 4, 2015 Mayhaps he will obtain a promise of the Gold Company's support from Aegon, but when the time comes, Aegon will decide to emulate the "Late" Lord Frey by conveniently showing up too late to do anything to help? Aegon may even see it as payback for his "father", leaving the Freys without support, seeing as Rhaegar may possibly have prevailed at the Trident if they had assisted the loyalists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Besides, for this to work, the Lannisters must lose Casterly Rock first and come to the brink of extinction like the Starks. Plus, all the Lannisters must attend the wedding and Walder must kill them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scootaloo Stark Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I don't want it to be a Stark revenge. They (or anyone else) shouldn't act like a Frey. Actually, I don't want any second Red Wedding. It would make the first one become less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slender Aimry Hill Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 I quite like this. People often theorise a Frey/Aegon alliance (perhaps because both are relatively unpopular with readers), but Haldon Halfmaester's analysis, that the Boltons and Freys are both Lannister quisling families long known for treachery and cruelty, makes such a combo in my view vanishingly unlikely. Too good to imagine Jaime and Stoneheart saving Daven from the Freys...? I fear so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDrunkenDornishman Posted September 4, 2015 Author Share Posted September 4, 2015 Besides, for this to work, the Lannisters must lose Casterly Rock first and come to the brink of extinction like the Starks. Plus, all the Lannisters must attend the wedding and Walder must kill them all. Well, Jaime is a Kingsguard, Tyrion has been presumably attained for multiple counts of kinslaying, the current Lady of Casterly Rock is in Kings Landing awaiting trial, and her children are incestuous bastards who seemed doomed by prophecy to die soon. On top of that, Kevan is dead, Lancel has given up all claims, and Genna, next in line for Casterly Rock after Kevan's children, is married to a Frey. If the Freys were wanting to betray House Lannister, I honestly can't think of a better time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomKat Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Then Walder outlives everyone and sits the Iron Throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dornishdame Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 If the Freys were wanting to betray House Lannister, I honestly can't think of a better time. I agree - aside from Kevan's death, Aegon/(f)Aegon has landed in the Stormlands. If he was to declare himself Rhaegar's son (I mean to Westeros as a whole, or to the main lords) then it would give the Freys someone to back them if they were to betray the Lannisters. I am not sure that Walder Frey would pull the same trick twice (hard to see why anyone would want to marry his kin after that!) but it would be interesting to see him set himself up against Littlefinger as Lord Paramount of the Trident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dornishdame Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 DP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkSister1001 Posted September 4, 2015 Share Posted September 4, 2015 Then Walder outlives everyone and sits the Iron Throne. Heads towards KL to takes his IT but falls into a well on the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Patroclo Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I don't think this has any story telling reason to happen. The reader was already offered aa chance to express disgust and hate for walder frey, now is the time to apply role reversal and force reader to tackle a moral dilemma. Doing as you suggest offers reinforcement of position and no dilemma. I vote against this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Pesci Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I guess it is possible as we know Tom o' Sevens is in Riverrun so the BwB could be involved, but with the Freys it just seems like going back to the well again to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mywintersong Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 It does seem to be in the direction that Lady Stoneheart is moving to try to get revenge via a wedding. Can you imagine how creepy it would be for the bwb to put in, followed by unCat? In the other hand, if Nyneria attacks a gathering of Stark enemies, it would display that she is very arya, even with no intentional warging or proximity. Both of these seem to serve more of a plot furthering purpose that if Frey is involved. But as a pp said, I am anti Red Wedding 2.0 - I prefer Frey's violation of guest right to remain so unthinkable to anyone else. I am eager to see if anything besides Frey. So many characters insist that the gods hate those who violate guest right. (Example: Rat Cook) we have already seen so many Freys die. I really want the "late" Walder Frey to die alone with no male heirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 I think it is made clear it will be LS and the BwB. Well, Jaime is a Kingsguard, Tyrion has been presumably attained for multiple counts of kinslaying, the current Lady of Casterly Rock is in Kings Landing awaiting trial, and her children are incestuous bastards who seemed doomed by prophecy to die soon. On top of that, Kevan is dead, Lancel has given up all claims, and Genna, next in line for Casterly Rock after Kevan's children, is married to a Frey. If the Freys were wanting to betray House Lannister, I honestly can't think of a better time. Except who in the right mind would take them? They would have proven themselves to be unreliable as allies at best and treacherous at worst. Besides, how can anyone trust their word on anything if they are known to be willing to break the oldest and most sacred of vows in Westeros: guest right? Besides, the Lannisters are the only thing protecting them from the riverlords' vengeance. Besides, for this to work, the Lannisters must lose Casterly Rock first and come to the brink of extinction like the Starks. Plus, all the Lannisters must attend the wedding and Walder must kill them all. True Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferocious Veldt Roarer Posted September 5, 2015 Share Posted September 5, 2015 Nah. If Walder Frey tried to pull the same shit twice, even Mad King Aerys would be justified in saying "gee, that is one self-destructing moron...". "Let's kill a Frey" would become the realm's favorite bonding exercise. Blackwood and Bracken, Stark and Lannister, Bolton and Manderly, Martell and Tyrell, Baratheon and Targaryen, all would stop their minor feud for a minute in order to dismember a Frey together. No, seriously, him trying to do it again could only come from sheer madness, but even then there wouldn't be enough people willing to carry out his orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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