[snake]

Just curious as to why the Kingslayer fans adore him so? I'm not gonna argue any of your reasons but I want to know what people think is so great about him, besides being a well written character.

[Dickums]

snake, on Feb 27 2007, 11.29, said:

Just curious as to why the Kingslayer fans adore him so? I'm not gonna argue any of your reasons but I want to know what people think is so great about him, besides being a well written character.

He's a well written character. Oh damn, I'm not allowed to use that one. Umm, his curly golden locks then.

[Regina]

I love both the Lannister boys for the same reason: the perfect smart-ass responses they always have at the ready. I only wish I was half as witty as them.

(I suppose "great dialogue" could be argued as just part of being a "well written character," but that's my answer.)

[The Onion Knight]

Jaime does one of the biggest character turn arounds that ive ever seen(In any book). The depth of his character as well as his very interesting history make him one of the best characters in the book. Plus he has some of the funniest lines. How can you not like the Kingslayer?

[Dycedarg]

Because nobody else could possibly say a line like "There are no men like me, there is only me" and get away with it.

[Benjen]

When I went back and re-read AFFC one POV at a time, the Jaime chapters stuck out to me, mainly because of the humor but also for the set-up of what's coming.

As a character I think he's come a very long way, but that does not absolve him from what he has done. He remains a character at conflict with himself and in the end I think his past will catch up with him.

[snake]

Great dialogue is a perfectly good reason Regina. :)

[ZANNI_1276]

Regina, on Feb 27 2007, 12.26, said:

I love both the Lannister boys for the same reason: the perfect smart-ass responses they always have at the ready. I only wish I was half as witty as them.

(I suppose "great dialogue" could be argued as just part of being a "well written character," but that's my answer.)

Both the lions are my favorite characters...Jamie is the by far the most misunderstood character - He does have a sense of honor - just skewed a bit I guess?? Yes, he threw Bran from the window - in order to keep his relationship with his sister a secret - which it is apparent that he was genuinely in love with - he admits to have been with no other woman. He saved Brienne - which was a gallant gesture. He rescued his brother and even confessed to him about his Tyrion first wife but in his mind he was not going to let his brother die so he allowed him to eascape - noble in his own mind.Even the logic of him murdering Aerys was in order to keep the crazy king from destroying KL and yet even he said it was his finest act yet the one he is detested the most for - guess he shouldn't have killed everyone in the room there! LOL! I guess the adage of the truth from a certain point of view - (little star wars quote)
He is not a cut an dry black an white character - is he flawed - hell yeah - but I think he will play a big role in the rest of the story line. He will be "White Lion who will be taller than anyother man - I am sorry I do not know the exact quote from Daerneys vision - but he will surely have a noble and heroic death -

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[Jojen's Ghost]

ZANNI_1276, on Feb 27 2007, 12.47, said:

I am sorry I do not know the exact quote from Daerneys vision - but he will surely have a noble and heroic death -

...in the belly of a dragon. :P

[true wolf]

I wouldn't say that I love him, but I like reading his chapters. I like his wit, a lot like Tyrions. I also enjoy reading how he is changing. I will acmit that when I first saw the chapter heading with his name on it I was like "WTF, I hate him! I don't want to read about him!". Being inside his head is actualy very ineresting, and it has brought some good backstory explanations about KL before Robert took over, and Harrenhall before Rhaegar took Lyanna. He has been in the thick of things for a long time and will likely bring forth some more important information.
A recuring theme in this series is that there are no true knights, and he is a great example of one. The Bran thing is stale to me, since it happened in the first book, and actually ended up forcing Bran to open his eye. The gods work in mysterious ways.
I suppose that is a bit of a long winded response to a simple question, but the long and short of it is that I don't love the man, neither do I hate him. I enjoy his chapters however and would like to see him continue on his current trajectory as a just man.

[Bellis]

he has pretty blond hair and badass dialogue. good enough for me. plus he's not really a "bad guy" deep down.

not long term potential, but i'd do him any time.

This post has been edited by Bellis: 27 February 2007 - 01:35 PM

[Mad Queen]

I love him mostly as a character. There is both good and evil in him, and he has depth, reasons, memories, motivations, funny lines, everything. I wouldn't want to be his friend in real life, but reading about him is fascinating. He is my favorite character and his chapters in ASoS are the ones I enjoy the most.

[Solmyr]

Bellis, on Feb 27 2007, 13.35, said:

plus he's not really a "bad guy" deep down.

If you think about it, nobody is a bad guy, deep, deep down. Even the Great Other has his logical motives to invade the land. His people (the Others) would die if he doesnt provide them with the proper climate for their survival. Why should he care that some weaklings called humand might suffer in the way :).

Now ontopic:

The fact Jaime was introduced later in the book allowed the author to describe him through the eyes of others first - thus giving us a false impression. It won't be half as interesting to read about someone, you've never heard off before, than to read about someone who you know, yet it turns out he is not the person he seemed he is. Also, the fact he goes against Cersei (who is one of the most despised characters in the book) even though he once loved her and was willing to risk everything for her, shows us he is not just a blind crippled fool, but probably as smart as Tyrion himself, only in another way.

Jaime often described his "little" brother as the smart one ("Tyrion would've known what to do"), however, he has more wits than half (or more) of the PoVs in the book. Add some sense of humour to this and you got the perfect combination. Young, bold, handsome, goes from the dark to the light side, excellent on the battlefield (not as a swordsman anymore, but as a commander), leaves Cersei to die ... what's not to like :).

Ooh, this one is classic:

Random boy with a crossbow: "Why are you wearing these chains?"
Jaime: "Because I killed some archers like you."

[Ser Hot Pie]

Solmyr, on Feb 27 2007, 15.09, said:

If you think about it, nobody is a bad guy, deep, deep down.

Three words:
Ser Gregor F'in Clegane

Three more:
Ramsay Bolton

[Dickums]

Well I don't really like Jaime the person, and I think he's a total douche, but he does have some funny ass retorts, so I'll give him that.

[Ser Doctor]

He makes me laugh.

[Sarella]

I love his personality for the same reasons I love Sawyer from lost. He is bold as anything and jokes and pisses people off just for the fun of it, but really he's a good guy who will sacrifice himself for others (i.e. going back for Brienne).

Bonus points for being the best swordsman in Westeros (IMO, and obviously before he lost the hand), not being afraid of Tywin, loving Tyrion even though everyone hates him, and for being handsome.

[dornish prince]

i like jaime so much because he is the most magnificent bastard that i've ever had the pleasure of reading about; in the beginning anyway.

[Potboy]

I love a character that experiences growth. Learning from his past and trying to improve himself. I love the transition from arogant youth to wise(ish) adult. Of course in real life this never happens.

It seems to be a bit of a theme in the book. It has happened with Sandor, Brienne, Sansa, Jon, Dondarrion, Thoros, Ayra, Bran ....many more likely.

It has not happened to Cersie or Tyrion in my view. She is still juvinial and he is still a sucker for love.

[Daemrion]

1. The obvious reason: he's the most interesting character, simply because of the changes and the way that GRRM writes his character. Some chapters put me to sleep - like Dany's and some of Bran's, I'd never fall asleep during a Jaime chapter unless I took sedatives or something (or a Tyrion chapter for that matter).

2. The fact that he's misjudged by a lot of people. I applaud the fact that he killed Aerys. Aerys was a mean-spirited animal that deserved to be put down. He was basically as close to a sub-human a human can get. And I guess, I feel sorry for him because of it. He never did tell the truth about the wildfire plot

3. The redemption arc - or at least that's the way it's being painted. The whole awakening, it's almost like he stalled at 15 for more than half his life, and then starts growing again. I suppose some people are just late bloomers. The journey, his journey is an insightful look into the human condition and we are taught some important lessons about human behaviour and how people should act

4. The wit, he and Tyrion are given the best lines.

5. I suppose the fact that he is hated so much, the fact that he seems like a big child sort of evokes my paternal instinct. Oh, and since Tywin was such a terrible father as well.

6. The whole tragic lovers thing. Him and Cersei - at least from his side it seemed like real love.

7. The aura of bad-ass he seems to exude.

8. How much he loves his family. He seems to definitely have no hesitation in protecting them the best he can.

9. He would make a cool big brother.

10. The gold hair. LOL. The green eyes. The Stephen Youll AFFC cover. That picture tells more than a thousand words. More than a million words actually. That picture for me summarised his character in the most perfect way.

This post has been edited by Daemrion: 28 February 2007 - 04:07 AM