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[The Lord Dragon]

I can't believe that I missed this in my first read. At the end of the Alayne chapter where the Lords Declarant come to challenge Peter, demand custody of little Lord Robert and demand that Petyr leave the Vale for Harrenhal; Sansa gets Littlefinger to admit that Lyn Corbray is in his employ.

That is pretty cool how he used Lyn to turn the tide of that meeting in his favor. I already knew it but just another example of how brilliant Littlefinger is.

It is hard to hate Petyr. He has no honor and I want him to get his in the end, but I also want to see his evil plots continue to succeed for as long as possible.

[arek]

Agree, his plotting is very compelling reading
but Ive a feeling he is nothing compared to Vary's

[Brother Wolf]

The Lord Dragon, on Sep 24 2007, 14.45, said:

I can't believe that I missed this in my first read. At the end of the Alayne chapter where the Lords Declarant come to challenge Peter, demand custody of little Lord Robert and demand that Petyr leave the Vale for Harrenhal; Sansa gets Littlefinger to admit that Lyn Corbray is in his employ.

That is pretty cool how he used Lyn to turn the tide of that meeting in his favor. I already knew it but just another example of how brilliant Littlefinger is.

It is hard to hate Petyr. He has no honor and I want him to get his in the end, but I also want to see his evil plots continue to succeed for as long as possible.

The fact that Sansa figured this one out on her own was, to me anyway, the first sign that she's starting to understand The Game.

[The Lord Dragon]

Brother Wolf, on Sep 24 2007, 17.31, said:

The fact that Sansa figured this one out on her own was, to me anyway, the first sign that she's starting to understand The Game.

That should be a good subplot for now. I am interested to see how it develops. I used to pretty much hate Sansa, she was a simpering little girl who got her dad killed by turning him into Cersei. However, she has really come around through her sufferings and it will be interesting to see how she continues to develop.

[Uzumaki_Kiba]

Hey, could anybody give me a quote as to what Petyr says that shows Lyn is in his employ? I believe it, of course, and I feel stupid for having missed it. In all fairness, I was really tired when I read it, and I have yet to go back for a re-read.

But I'm just curious as to what he said, and what I could have interpreted it as. I know I didn't miss it in the way of not having read it, because.. Well, I don't skip around or anything. That's dumb. So I just didn't understand it. Thanks in advance.

[Starship Trooper]

If you'll recall, during Littlefinger's meeting with the Lords Declarant, Lyn Corbray draws his sword and threatens LF, thus giving LF some leverage to be 'outraged' that he would be threatened at a parley.

Anyway, here ya go Uzumaki...

AFfC, paperback pg. 489:

    "And Ser Lyn Corbray?"
    The candlelight was dancing in his (LF's) eyes.  "Ser Lyn will remain my implacable enemy.  He will speak of me with scorn and loathing to every man he meets, and lend his sword to every secret plot to bring me down."
    That was when her suspicion turned to certainty.  "And how shall you reward him for this service?"
    Littlefinger laughed aloud.  "With gold and boys and promises, of course.  Ser Lyn is a man of simple tastes, sweetling.  All he likes is gold and boys and killing."

[Amin]

Seeing how promises seems in line with killing, one interpretation could be that Lyn has been promised the chance of war and bloodshed in the near future or at least not too far off. Whether Littlefinger is planning to honour that timeline is another matter, but perhaps he is not far off from making a more military aggressive move.

Starship Trooper, on Sep 24 2007, 16.33, said:

If you'll recall, during Littlefinger's meeting with the Lords Declarant, Lyn Corbray draws his sword and threatens LF, thus giving LF some leverage to be 'outraged' that he would be threatened at a parley.

Anyway, here ya go Uzumaki...

AFfC, paperback pg. 489:

    "And Ser Lyn Corbray?"
    The candlelight was dancing in his (LF's) eyes.  "Ser Lyn will remain my implacable enemy.  He will speak of me with scorn and loathing to every man he meets, and lend his sword to every secret plot to bring me down."
    That was when her suspicion turned to certainty.  "And how shall you reward him for this service?"
    Littlefinger laughed aloud.  "With gold and boys and promises, of course.  Ser Lyn is a man of simple tastes, sweetling.  All he likes is gold and boys and killing."

[Uzumaki_Kiba]

Ah, thank ya much, Trooper. Hehe, Trooper. Sorry, it's fun to just call you by that.

Anyway, I'd read that part, and I knew that the guy drawing the sword at the parley was what gave him leverage, but I think I just didn't make the connection that they were talking about Lyn Corbray later with the "how will you reward him" and that it was Lyn who drew his sword. So I think that just kind of confused me and I assumed it wasn't important... *sigh*

Thanks for putting that up there. You rock.

[The Lord Dragon]

Uzumaki_Kiba, on Sep 24 2007, 20.16, said:

Ah, thank ya much, Trooper. Hehe, Trooper. Sorry, it's fun to just call you by that.

Anyway, I'd read that part, and I knew that the guy drawing the sword at the parley was what gave him leverage, but I think I just didn't make the connection that they were talking about Lyn Corbray later with the "how will you reward him" and that it was Lyn who drew his sword. So I think that just kind of confused me and I assumed it wasn't important... *sigh*

Thanks for putting that up there. You rock.

Hey, shouldn't I get a little credit since I noticed it and pointed it out??? :)

[Green Apple Fossoway]

The Lord Dragon, on Sep 25 2007, 11.32, said:

Hey, shouldn't I get a little credit since I noticed it and pointed it out??? :)

... Sure.  You Attention Whore!!! :P

[BlackTalon]

Sorry, but I´m not convinced. I don´t think that means LF and LC agreed beforehand on this little act, as you seem to believe. Perhaps LF anticipated that sth. like this would happen and took advantage of it, but a real planned intrigue? LC is neither subtle nor trustworthy enough for that, and LF has shown how he likes to deal with such people- "with a few well placed quarrels that buy their silence forever..."

Besides, the überproud LC would never stoop to scheming with an "upstart" like LF.

Sansa just understands how LF manipulated LC in this scene, thats what her line means.

[Addam]

BlackTalon, on Sep 26 2007, 17.53, said:

Sorry, but I´m not convinced. I don´t think that means LF and LC agreed beforehand on this little act, as you seem to believe. Perhaps LF anticipated that sth. like this would happen and took advantage of it, but a real planned intrigue? LC is neither subtle nor trustworthy enough for that, and LF has shown how he likes to deal with such people- "with a few well placed quarrels that buy their silence forever..."

Besides, the überproud LC would never stoop to scheming with an "upstart" like LF.

Sansa just understands how LF manipulated LC in this scene, thats what her line means.

That how I took it on my first read, but after a few re-reads I think it is fairly clear that Corbray is working directly for Petry.  If Littlefinger was just manipulating Corbray there would be nothing to brag of, nor any point to be paying him with 'gold, boys and killing'.

Littlefinger also states that Corbray will have be involved in every secret plot against him, which is the most important factor in the whole situation, and the one that points most clearly that Corbray is working for LF, as he will report back with each plot.

[Joy]

I took that passage to mean that while Littlefinger was funding Lyn, it was through an intermediary- Lyn would have cut him down for manipulating him like that if he had known about it, in my opinion. Most likely Littlefinger is manipulating Lyn like he manipulated Sansa with Ser Dontos, with a catspaw.

[Defender of the Rock]

Joy, on Sep 27 2007, 17.22, said:

Lyn would have cut him down for manipulating him like that if he had known about it, in my opinion.

I may be wrong but is Lyn Corbray not the kinda black sheep of the family for stealing the family sword that was meant for his brother who is the head of the family. If that is so he would not have that much money coming in through taxes etc and if he is into such things like Gambling, killing and boys he would need plenty of money so working for LF is something he would do too keep his lifestyle going...

[Bronn Stone]

There is also a bit where Corbray nods knowingly at Lothar Brune on his way in to the parley.  

No question in my mind - Corbray and Baelish are scheming together and his act in the Eyrie is staged.

[Joy]

Defender of the Rock, on Sep 28 2007, 11.12, said:

I may be wrong but is Lyn Corbray not the kinda black sheep of the family for stealing the family sword that was meant for his brother who is the head of the family. If that is so he would not have that much money coming in through taxes etc and if he is into such things like Gambling, killing and boys he would need plenty of money so working for LF is something he would do too keep his lifestyle going...

I quite agree, I just think it is more likely that Lyn is not aware of who is really behind things. Petyr is not the type of guy who does things directly. *shrugs* Maybe Lyn knows, maybe not. I doubt that Lyn is fully aware of what is going on, and that the situation is further testament to Petyr's ability to manipulate people.

Maybe Lyn does know who is behind the money, but I doubt Petyr would ever be that obvious. But who knows.

[Green Apple Fossoway]

Joy, on Sep 28 2007, 11.35, said:

Maybe Lyn does know who is behind the money, but I doubt Petyr would ever be that obvious. But who knows.

I don't know about that.  He does some pretty obvious things, just nobody takes him into account because he's seen as such an upstart.  He does the type of stuff that in hindsight people will smack their foreheads over, but right now will slip under the radar.

[Guarneri]

I thought it was ridiculously obvious that Lyn was working for Littlefinger.

[Anthem]

Corbray working for Littlefinger went scooting straight over my head at the first read. I was really hacked off because bloody Sansa got it quicker than I did. Sansa, for heaven's sake. I'm no Sansa basher, but she isn't the smartest cookie in ASOIAF.

And I still don't quite get how she figured it out. The 'knowing nod' exchanged between Lyn and Lothor? Riiiiight. The 'staged' tantrum Lyn throws with his fancy Valyrian sword? I had no idea it was staged, seemed genuine enough to me.

My mind boggles. :dunno: