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The Red Wolf Conspiracy by Robert V.S.Redick Looks like we've already found 2008's Rothfuss...

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 06:16 PM

From the blog:

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The world of Alifros is dominated by two mighty nations. The Empire of the Mzithrin lies in the west, unified under the rule of its five kings and in the worship of the religion of the Black Casket. In the east, proud Arqual extends its powers over vast regions of land and sea. Forty years have passed since the last, bloody war between these two superpowers and an uneasy peace lingers between them, whilst the small, independent kingdoms of the Crownless Lands lie between them as buffers.

It is a time of great change, however. His Imperial Majesty, the Emperor of Arqual, has decreed that a lasting peace shall be forged between Mzithrin and Arqual and his greatest military commander, Admiral Isiq, has agreed to give up his only daughter, Thasha, in marriage to a royal prince of the Mzithrin. It is only fitting that the greatest ship in the Arquali navy, and the most infamous ship in the world, should be given this task. The I.M.S. Chathrand is the last of the Great Ships, heavily armed and crewed by a thousand souls, the only ship capable of crossing the vast Ruling Sea. But on this mission the Chathrand takes a strange assortment of passengers and crew, from the delusional Captain Nilus Rose to Pazel Pathkendle, a tarboy with many secrets, and from the sickly Admiral Isiq and his proud daughter to the dimunitive ixchel or crawlies, the little people whose presence on ships is taken as a sign of doom. As ancient secrets are revealed and dark conspiracies are unmasked, the crew and passengers of the Chathrand come to realise that they are at the centre of events that will reshape their world.

The Red Wolf Conspiracy is the opening volume of The Chathrand Voyage, a fantasy trilogy by debut author Robert V.S. Redick. Gollancz's pre-publicity draws comparisons with Scott Lynch and Philip Pullman, and I suspect over the coming months a similar word-of-mouth pre-release excitment will build that is comparable to Lynch's The Lies of Locke Lamora or Rothfuss' The Name of the Wind. Certainly The Red Wolf Conspiracy is an exceptionally fine novel and more than worthy of such comparisons.

With this book, Redick creates an incredibly rich fantasy world where familiar archetypes like wizards and scheming nobles are given fresh spins, and where every chapter seems to deliver a new idea, concept or race. Redick creates vivid images in the reader's mind, from the disturbing Flikkermen with their glowing innards to the hordes of scurrying ixchel to the towering augrongs and the 'woken' animals who have spontaneously developed sentience (I suspect this is where the Pullman comparisons come from). His core characters are similarly varied and intriguing, although our two central protagonists, Pazel and Thasha, are perhaps a bit too familiar as archetypes. Whilst they are well-drawn as characters, arguably it is the secondary cast that draws more attention. The crew of the Chathrand in particular are an intriguing bunch, especially as we discover more about them through their log entries and Suzanna Clarke-style footnotes (though nowhere near as numerous or long). Fans of nautical fantasy will find much to their liking here, but whilst Redick has clearly done his homework he doesn't let the minutiae of shipboard life detract from the story, and I suspect those who normally dislike martime tales may find this story much more enjoyable.

With such a vivid world to bring to life, Redick could perhaps be forgiven for relaxing on the plot side of things, but instead the storyline fairly rips along, packed with excitement, incident and humour which builds to a conclusion that, whilst certainly leaving the reader wanting more, could perhaps be said to be anti-climatic. With two more books still to come, perhaps this is unavoidable.

The Red Wolf Conspiracy (****½) is an extremely enjoyable epic fantasy tale set in a vivid , constantly inventive world. The Chathrand itself comes across as the ocean-going equivalent of Gormenghast, whilst its crew seem to have assembled variously from the works of Charles Dickens, Jack Vance and Scott Lynch, but with a style that is undeniably Redick's own. I suspect that Redick will be 'the' big new fantasy author of 2008, and deservedly so.

This post has been edited by Werthead: 01 December 2007 - 06:17 PM


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Posted 01 December 2007 - 06:23 PM

Ok skimming this description is giving me serious vibes of Paul Kerney. Better not be some kind of rip-off.

Well if it is it better be a good ripoff.

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 06:26 PM

Nope, not in the least. I'm a huge fan of Kearney and pondered if there would be similarities, but there aren't. It's a strange book in that it wears the influence of many authors on it but simultaneously uses those influences to create a style of its own.

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 06:51 PM

Gollancz sent me this one a while back, and I'm now even more intrigued. :)

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 07:53 PM

Will check it out. But I heard the same about a lot of authors and 'ho-hum.'

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 08:58 PM

I'd like a few citations to illustrate this "vivid style" that you mention, if you don't mind, please. I just don't know how this book is any different from some of the other authors that have been pimped here to some extent in the past year. Considering that I didn't care much in the end for Lynch's second novel, I'd like to have a few shortish (say no more than a paragraph) quotes to give me a better idea of what the reading experience might be like for me.

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 11:49 PM

Is it me or are the names just getting cheesier and cheesier every passing year?

Also is there any excerpt available?

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 12:07 AM

Looks like an excerpt is here

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 12:20 AM

cheers mate.

too much exposition for my liking. the overall premise is pretty interesting but the writing is, well, meh.

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 04:30 AM

Well, I read this and I must say it definitely reads like an YA novel - young naive hero, no sex or profanity, clear-cut good and evil characters and all other trappings. It still reads quite well and author has some nice ideas - I loved Ixchel - but the book looks clearly targeted for 12-14 years old demographic, IMHO. Not really my cup of tea.

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 05:40 AM

Here's a synopis and an author interview as well. Personally I think it looks really interesting, Wert's review has added to that feeling.

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The Chathrand - The Great Ship, The Wind-Palace, His Supremacy's First Fancy - is the last of her kind - built 600 years ago she dwarves all the ships around her. The secrets of her construction are long lost. She was the pride of the Empire. The natural choice for the great diplomatic voyage to seal the peace with the last of the Emperor's last enemies. 700 souls boarded her. Her sadistic Captain Nilus Rose, the Emperor's Ambassador and Thasha, the daughter he plans to marry off to seal the treaty, a spy master and six assassins, one hunderd imperial marines, Pazel the tarboy gifted and cursed by his mother's spell and a small band of Ixchel. The Ixchel sneaked aboard and now hide below decks amongst the rats. Intent on their own mission. But there is treachery afoot. Behind the plans for peace lies the shadow of war and the fear that a dead king might live again. And now the Chathrand, having survived countless battles and centuries of typhoons has gone missing. This is her story.


Interview:

http://www.sfx.co.uk/page/sfx?entry=robert...redick_and_john

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 06:50 AM

Baring that everyone else's opinions goes in contrary to Wert's, I'm definitely picking this up. I'm currently reading "The Fade" by Chris Wooding which was recommended to me by Werthead, and if "The Red Wolf Conspiracy" is so good that it deserves the same grade (four and a half stars by his own ranking system), then it's definitely worth the money. :pirate:

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 07:19 AM

Just a question: When you say: "our two central protagonists, Pazel and Thasha, are perhaps a bit too familiar as archetypes", do you mean the good old "prophesied farmboy with a mysterious lineage and magical powers" versus haughty princess with a heart of gold (think Edding's Garion/C'nedra)?

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 07:39 AM

Ahum. The mysterious "flikkermen", Redick chose a really unfortunate name for them. In dutch a "flikker" is a synonym for a gay male, so when I read "flikkermen" all kinds of images popped into my mind especially combined with glowing "hands" and such.. I am pretty sure the names were meant to evoke some other image. Apart from that, this actually sounds quite intruiging, sadly I will have to abide my time (not on the Gollancz list) until the novel is released.

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Fans of nautical fantasy will find much to their liking her


Just finished reading Red Seas Under Red Skies, and since Gollancz seems to draw comparisons to a Scott Lynch for example, how does this nautical fantasy compare to Lynch' effort?

And what about the names? I mean; Ixchel, Alifros, Isiq, Arqual? Did it distract you from the story?

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 08:36 AM

What I find funny is this bit from the interview...

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SFX: What do you both think is the key to beginning a good fantasy novel series like this?
ROBERT: "Not taking any shortcuts. You can’t fudge your way into the hearts of readers.

...and then the excerpt from the first chapter uses the manipulative "young boy bullied by the older group of boys" cliché as a shortcut to creating reader sympathy. Not a good start. But then, I didn't think much of the Rothfuss book, ether: I've pretty much concluded that I shouldn't expect much from any book where reviewers praise how the author "dresses old tropes in new cloth" and the like.

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 09:28 AM

View PostErrant Bard, on Dec 2 2007, 13.19, said:

Just a question: When you say: "our two central protagonists, Pazel and Thasha, are perhaps a bit too familiar as archetypes", do you mean the good old "prophesied farmboy with a mysterious lineage and magical powers" versus haughty princess with a heart of gold (think Edding's Garion/C'nedra)?



Well, Pazel does know his parentage, even if most other people don't, and Thasha fits rather "spunky, rebellious" archetype, not "spoiled, haughty".

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 12:26 PM

I fall into the "YA feel/cliche characters/awful awful names/interesting ideas but clunky execution" camp; it was a fun read but I don't think he's the next Lynch.

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 01:27 PM

After reflection, no, he's not as good as Lynch. Better than Rothfuss though.

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Well, I read this and I must say it definitely reads like an YA novel - young naive hero, no sex or profanity, clear-cut good and evil characters and all other trappings. It still reads quite well and author has some nice ideas - I loved Ixchel - but the book looks clearly targeted for 12-14 years old demographic, IMHO. Not really my cup of tea.


The story has some YA elements and feeling to it, although I do not consider that a criticism (Un Lun Dun and The Inferior, both marketed as YA books, are among the finer fantasy offerings this year). However:

SPOILER: Red Wolf
The main character is kidnapped and brutalised several times and has a soldier screaming at him demanding to know where his mother and sister are so they can be gang-raped, which is hardly the stuff of YA fiction. The ixchel and woken animals do get a little twee, but are such a minor part of the story that I didn't consider it a problem.


After some further reflection I may lop off that half-star on the end:

SPOILER: Red Wolf
The more I think about it, the more daft the ending is, and there are a couple of clunky infodump scenes in the book which are too exposition-tastic.


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Just finished reading Red Seas Under Red Skies, and since Gollancz seems to draw comparisons to a Scott Lynch for example, how does this nautical fantasy compare to Lynch' effort?


Not quite as good as Locke Lamora, maybe a little better than Red Seas (although my minor grumbles with Red Seas may have been triggered by heightened expectations based on the first book rather than inherent problems in the second).

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And what about the names? I mean; Ixchel, Alifros, Isiq, Arqual? Did it distract you from the story?


When you've played as much D&D as I have, bad fantasy names tend to bounce off you ;)

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 01:41 PM

View PostWerthead, on Dec 2 2007, 19.27, said:

After reflection, no, he's not as good as Lynch. Better than Rothfuss though.

Change the topic description instead of fooling people or attracting them to this thread, will ya? ;)

View PostWerthead, on Dec 2 2007, 19.27, said:

Not quite as good as Locke Lamora, maybe a little better than Red Seas (although my minor grumbles with Red Seas may have been triggered by heightened expectations based on the first book rather than inherent problems in the second).

Better than Red Seas, huh? That's an interesting statement at the very least. I thought Red Seas was not so bad for a nautical fantasy compared to a caper novel like Lies, although my expectations for the second one were quite high.

View PostWerthead, on Dec 2 2007, 19.27, said:

When you've played as much D&D as I have, bad fantasy names tend to bounce off you ;)

Never played any D&D (maybe for the better of it, with regard to names :P), so that could actually turn out to be one of the major drawbacks. I don't know, we'll see.

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 05:00 PM

The excerpt leaves me unimpressed, for most of the reasons already mentioned.

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