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[Brude]

Jacen, on Jan 29 2009, 16.03, said:

And for whatever reason big invasions were the most fun in the modern era.

Probably because there are more options - more kinds of units to use: Marines, various powerful naval units and transports that can carry more stuff too.  Also, tanks and mechanized infantry make maneuvering quicker and easier for the most part.  I think also because you can start airlifting units across once you have your foothold city/cities and that makes reinforcing faster and easier.

As for Colonization, my roommate got it because he had played and loved the original way back when.  I popped it in but only messed around with it for a couple of hours.  I can't say I gave it a proper chance, but I wasn't interested in what the game was about.  I looks like it could be very involved and interesting, though.

[Galactus]

Colonization is a remake of the old Colonization. With a few tweaks. It's NOT a new game in any shape or form. Judge it by the fact that it's almost a decade old and you'll realize how much love that game is worth :P

[Brude]

14 hour, Epic length game of the Next War mod on Prince level.  Was in first place but Victoria won a Space Race on the second to last turn before I would have won on points.

I'm sad...drained and sad....gonna start a new game right now.


...I really need a CivAnon intervention, I think.

[oneeye]

I like the 1000 AD scenario.

with the expansions, the AI builds big armies and can attack you anytime

Religions, spies and corporations also added a lot.

Civ 2 is still my favorite but civ 4 has held me longer than civ 3 did.

[tzanth]

Brude, on Feb 23 2009, 17.00, said:

14 hour, Epic length game of the Next War mod on Prince level.  Was in first place but Victoria won a Space Race on the second to last turn before I would have won on points.

I'm sad...drained and sad....gonna start a new game right now.


...I really need a CivAnon intervention, I think.

I'm sorry!  Better luck with the next one!  Thats totally the type of situation where I would go back like 10 turns and try to find some way to stop those Brits!   Personally, I hate the space race.  It's way too easy compared to the other victory types and the AI always goes for it.

Random side question: How many people refer to their rival civs by their leaders names?  I never do; for me its always "the english" rather than Elizabeth or Victoria.

[Brude]

My friends and I usually refer to the leaders.  In my case it's because it's their mug I keep seeing when doing the diplomacy screens. One of my friends plays the game A LOT and can tell you all the finer points of the A.I. tendencies between the various leaders, so for him there is a big difference between saying "Elizabeth" did this or that to me vs. saying "Churchill" did that or this.

P.S. - my next game was over almost before it began.  I shared a small continent with one other Civ and very early on he out teched and produced me and quickly overran my 3 cities.  So, I'll be starting a new one again very soon.

Edited by Brude, 23 February 2009 - 11:40 PM.

[EHK for Darwin]

tzanth, on Feb 23 2009, 22.24, said:

Random side question: How many people refer to their rival civs by their leaders names?  I never do; for me its always "the english" rather than Elizabeth or Victoria.

Depends on the Civ really. For the Civs that are essentially personified by a single great leader, one who may even overshadow the Civ in history, I usually refer to them by the leader. Shaka, Genghis, Hannibal. But for the ones where the Civ is more prominent than any individual leader, I refer to them as the Civ. Than there's Gandhi because its always amusing when Mr Pacifist opens a can of whoopass on someone.

My Civ 4 addiction is on vacation at the moment, replaced by a run at EU3.

[Jacen]

This thread makes me want to re-load the game on my PC. But now I can't find the fucking disc!  :tantrum:

[Brude]

The game I started last night as Genghis is going MUCH better so far.  I started on a small-to-medium sized continent with Asoka, whom I crushed by the early middle-ages, though he managed to have one small city to escape to on a nearby sub-continent-sized island he shared with two barbarian cities.  After a brief truce, I regrouped, invaded and took Asoka's last city, then took down those two barbs, turning that sub-continent into a very nice, resource rich, four-city extension of my empire.

I'm now faced with a powerful Caesar on another small continent and surrounding islands near-by to the west, while everyone else is on a large continent to the east.  I'm well in first place and I think the way this campaign is going, and since I AM the Mongols, I might try and go for a domination victory.

There's a war going on on the big continent where a large but weak Montezuma went nuts and attacked the 2nd-place Hyuna Capac and his vassal Tokugawa, I'm thinking I could get in on that with my newly upgraded fleet of Galleons.  I'm situated such that I could land in Montezuma's south and take a few nice cities (including his capital), while Hyuna and Tokugawa are hitting him from the north.

The other option is to turn on my good friend Caesar and just conquor him since he's really right on my doorstep and (I think) I could absorb him and not have to worry much about independance and maintainance difficulties.  Yes, he's across some water, but it's more of an English Channel/North Sea kind of divide and not a big ocean. (I think distance like that gets factored into maintainence costs, no?)  Also, though Caesar is my buddy, I know the Caesar A.I. can be very backbiting, so I don't trust he'll stay friendly if at any moment he detects weakness on my part.  The other civs across the ocean aren't likely to be able to mount anything against me and are likely too busy with each other, anyway.

I'll have to think on it for when I play again later tonight.  Any thoughts?

Edited by Brude, 24 February 2009 - 03:38 PM.

[Jacen]

It seems like the AI's are all going to hate you at some point, at least thats how my games go. I would take out Caesar (or wait till he starts a war) and secure the Western flank.

[Gold Storm]

Attack Caesar and make him your vassal, then go over to the new continent and take care of business.

[mcbigski]

I disagree.  Caesar is contained.  There's only so much he can grow on his home island.  The odds of him successfully pulling off a naval invasion are very low.  I'd dogpile on Monty and take as many of his cities as you can, so that the Incans and Japanese don't get stronger at Monty's expense.  Plus, it should be easier to to get a toe hold there because, presumably, most of Monty's extra units have already been killed, and you can base in Japanese or Incan territory to start the invasion, so your naval transport bottleneck will be smaller.

[Starkess]

I play this game way too much. It's my favorite way to relax. I have the BtS and it's way harder than just the plain one, so I keep getting frustrated by not being able to play on as high as a level. My favorite part is the beginning of the game, so if I don't have time to play it all the way through, I usually just abandon it and start a new one the next day. Today I was Japan and kicked ass in a conquest victory. Japan is the best for that, IMO—just get to Samurai and you can kick usually 2 civs into the dust, and you get some nice auto-promotions for your units.

I usually refer to the civs by their nation, but there are some exceptions. I always refer to myself as the nation, because I play under the name "Nora" or "Nora Anne" or "Empress Nora," depending on how many different games I have going (don't want to worry about overlapping saves).

[Papirolle]

Brude, on Feb 24 2009, 05.35, said:

P.S. - my next game was over almost before it began.  I shared a small continent with one other Civ and very early on he out teched and produced me and quickly overran my 3 cities.  So, I'll be starting a new one again very soon.

Don't forget, your second or third city should be a military production city. Build it somewhere where it's going to have a high production, build Granary, Baracks and start pumping out military units. This city should basically never stop producing units. Only build buildings and wonders that will help with this.

One way of not being out-teched is to bee-line for odd technologies (like Aesthetics) and trade it with everyone else for what you need.

Decide in advance what kind of economy you are going to run; Cottage, Specialist or the always fun Capital Wondercity.

Good luck!

[Slyfinger]

Ok.

So say that I've already purchaced Civ4 and enjoyed many hours of playing.

Then say someone uninstalled Civ4 on my computer so they could play some WoW game without to many slowdowns. Prick.

Now say after reading this thread I want to enjoy Civ4 again but I don't have the second disc... becaused it is now living in the land of the lost.


How do I get the game without rebuying the whole fucking thing?

[DanteGabriel]

Slyfinger, on Feb 25 2009, 18.48, said:

Ok.

So say that I've already purchaced Civ4 and enjoyed many hours of playing.

Then say someone uninstalled Civ4 on my computer so they could play some WoW game without to many slowdowns. Prick.

Now say after reading this thread I want to enjoy Civ4 again but I don't have the second disc... becaused it is now living in the land of the lost.


How do I get the game without rebuying the whole fucking thing?

Make the prick buy you a new copy.

[Slyfinger]

DanteGabriel, on Feb 25 2009, 19.06, said:

Make the prick buy you a new copy.

Or I raid the assholes Cd book and I find the 2nd disc LAYERED between a Bon Jovi and U2 CD.


I'm gonna have to fuckstart my buddy's face tonight...

[beniowa]

People who uninstall Civilization and "misplace" the cds should have their own special level in hell.

[EHK for Darwin]

Papirolle, on Feb 25 2009, 02.31, said:

Don't forget, your second or third city should be a military production city. Build it somewhere where it's going to have a high production, build Granary, Baracks and start pumping out military units. This city should basically never stop producing units. Only build buildings and wonders that will help with this.

But if you keep producing soldiers you're gonna go over your manpower limit and run into severe maintenance penalties that will force you to mint and ratchet up your inflation while you fall behind in tech. Before you know it your Men at Arms will be getting their asses kicked by line infantry. Not good.

[Brude]

Yeah, balance is important as EHK suggests.  I'm really only just now getting into strategies of city specializations.  Through Noble level I don't think it's necessary, and you can survive without it on Prince without it too, but since the game at this level is suddenly starting to get much harder, I need to start experimenting with new concepts that before I was able to ignore.

I'm finding though that one or sometimes two cities focused on producing armies can be pretty useful, especially if you are doing domination types of games where large militaries are needed.  Worse comes to worst, you can turn the city to Gold or Research for a while, if your army is getting too big - never a bad thing.

I still don't quite understand how the computer opponents are able to build such vast armies though.  I usually beat them with much smaller armies, but better tactics.  The computer can be pretty dumb on tactics, much of the time.

Incidentally, playing that Next War mod in that last game I lost, I had a lot of fun with the Mechs and Dreadnought units.  Used properly they can be extremely formidable, even though you can only have 4 of the former and 2 of the latter at a single time.  Of course, when your foe has them too it can be a problem.  Still, the computer doesn't use them as intelligently, nor do they react intelligently to them.  I crushed Darius' navy with bombardments from my Mechs - must have sunk 15 or 20 of his ships when he came to bombard my coastal cities, sent whole fleets to the bottom and he never moved them from harm's way.  Also, with those Mechs and dreadnought units, you can pretty much crush any invasion attempt, even if they manage a landing.