Arthmail, on Feb 5 2009, 08.46, said:
At the end of the day, Bakker's potrayal of women is however he wishes it to be. He wrote it, he owns it, he decided on the history of the world and the relevancy of its characters within. Claiming that he should examine other racial groups in some pc attempt to be all inclusive is ridiculous posturing, because he doesn't readily deal with those groups. He does deal with the women, and he sets all of them down the same path. That, to me, is just lazy and boring.
To me, that's perhaps a bit of a lack of imagination - but I'm willing to forgive him for it because of the enjoyment I get from the rest of his story.
Balefont, on Feb 5 2009, 09.41, said:
As a female who has been lucky to have lived a relatively safe existance, I really don't have a problem with the way Bakker portrays the women in the story. I think it works for the story and if you don't like it, perhaps the series is not for you. There's nothing wrong with that either. I can't get into Erikson myself so...
I agree with Bale.
Ran, on Feb 5 2009, 10.21, said:
What would people think if it turns out that the Dûnyain basically keep women around as little more than breeding stock?
I'm not sure how he's going to handle that particular issue. I tend to agree that they probably won't be feminine versions of their male counterparts.
Bastard of Godsgrace, on Feb 5 2009, 10.38, said:
Well, I would probably say he is true to his vision and doesn't allow himself to be led by readers expectations ;) Others, who aren't Bakker fanboys, would probably say other things, though. I think silence regarding Dunyain women is probably deliberate and Bakker is planning some surprise here.
You know, there is also worse possibility - I mean Tleilaxu vats :devil:
That thought occurred to me too. Now, THAT IS disturbing. :leaving:
Happy Ent, on Feb 5 2009, 13.56, said:
In the interest of realism I would agree. (Wouldn’t make for a very good book, of course. Our protagonists need to be exceptionel.)
I don’t agree. I feel a lot more outrage at the rape scenes in Bakker than at the very similar scenes in Martin. I don’t know why that is so, but I think that’s a point in Bakker’s favour.
In fact, the happy whores in Martin (and Lynch) make me positively angry, though I normally try to check my political agendas at the door when I read fiction.
I was a bit nonplussed by these things too - more so than by Bakker's used-and-abused womenfolk.
My sanguine attitude toward the literary treatment women receive in this series probably stems from the fact that I don't tend to relate to just women characters when I read. In fact, in the PoN series, I found myself relating more to Conphas (!) than anyone else.