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[Twelve Angry Nonmen]

Now, Renly was gay (but that doesn't stop him from having sex with a woman, see Oscar Wilde), and Joffrey died.  So, was her maidenhead broken due to riding, or was she nailing someone?  Was Maester Aemon telling the truth, I don't remember.  But who was she nailing?  Can't be her brother, unless he's bisexual.

[King Bronn l]

I think Margaery was sleeping with someone........just not anyone she was accused of sleeping with if that makes sense at all.

Edited by mob16151, 10 March 2010 - 01:02 AM.

[Werthead]

Jurble, on Aug 17 2009, 01.21, said:

Now, Renly was gay (but that doesn't stop him from having sex with a woman, see Oscar Wilde), and Joffrey died.  So, was her maidenhead broken due to riding, or was she nailing someone?  Was Maester Aemon telling the truth, I don't remember.  But who was she nailing?  Can't be her brother, unless he's bisexual.

The prevailing theory is that it happened through horse-riding. Cersei even guesses it herself towards the end of AFFC and starts laughing about it, so that appears to be the prevailing theory.

Of course, it could turn out to be wrong ;)

[MojoJojo]

IMO the biggest problem with the theory that she is sleeping around is that she is under constant supervision by her entourage: friends, cousins, brothers, guards, Tommen, sycophants, septas, servants, Maesters, singers, and on and on. I dont see how she could have the opportunity to be sleeping with someone and manage to keep everyone quiet. Cersei has people brutally tortured to find out exactly this sort of information, and the best they can do is tell unconvincing lies. Except Pycell. His testimony about the moon tea is the only piece of evidence which seems to be at all credible.

[Roose Bolton's Pet Leech]

MojoJojo, on Aug 17 2009, 15.59, said:

Except Pycell. His testimony about the moon tea is the only piece of evidence which seems to be at all credible.

Pycelle was, of course, cut-off by Cersei in mid-explanation. He was very likely about to explain that Moon Tea can also be used to relieve menstrual cramps.

[moirne]

I doubt it. Not everyone has to be sleeping with someone.

[King Bronn l]

Doesn't mean that a rich young female with a sense of entitlement wasn't sleeping with someone either.

[3idcrow]

My guess is that Renly performed his duty at their bedding, I really can't see why he would't. In order to make a royal match happening Tyrells lied about Margaery's virginity ( I almost can hear old fox Ollena chuckling: "Stupid boy have never being with a woman, if you cannot trick him than we are not related"). At that point of time Margaery wasn't examined so Tyrell's word was the only prove of her virginity. After that she never slept with anyone and the moon tee was for anything but her abortion, like for cramps or for one of her cousins or whatever.

[Brude]

It really is unclear if she was or wasn't.  Tansy does have other uses besides as an abortificant (quite a few, actually, though I don't know if all the things it was used for were legitimate).  I would say odds are fairly high she was sleeping with someone - she's of that age when hormones are most raging and she is quite the active and willful young woman, who is also now a Queen.  She pretty much does what she wants, when she wants, it seems and I think a lot of the people around her would be more than willing to help cover for her.

[Daemrion]

She was sleeping with Loras. It is known.

[A wilding]

mob16151, on Aug 17 2009, 06.25, said:

Doesn't mean that a rich young female with a sense of entitlement wasn't sleeping with someone either.

Though this rich young female appears to have a working amount of common sense, and will certainly have been made very well aware (by her grandmother if no one else) that adultery while married to a king is a crime that carries the death penalty, and that Cersei would be only too happy to ensure that the sentence was carried out.

[Matarreyes]

It does not really matter so much whether she had sex or rode a horse to break her maidenhood. What really matters is that she will have a very hard time to prove herself innocent now. I find it extreme funny how Cersei´s inane plan actually managed to wield some of the planned results.  My best theory is that Renly did the deed, so Tyrells have pretty much brought their share of problems on themselves. Margaery would be much closer to her freedom right now if her family hadn´t lied about her being a virgin in order to sell her to King after King. They probably thought she could fool Joffrey and Tommen. And were right. But they didn´t account for an old ugly septa!!!

I like Margaery, but pretty much hope for lots of troubles for the Tyrells ahead. Those guys are having way too good luck IMO. They did commit a regicide and blamed it on Tyrion quite happily, after all.

[Krafus]

MojoJojo;

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Cersei has people brutally tortured to find out exactly this sort of information, and the best they can do is tell unconvincing lies. Except Pycell. His testimony about the moon tea is the only piece of evidence which seems to be at all credible.

I don't believe we can call Pycelle's evidence credible, at least in the sense of trustworthy. Plausible, sure, but not trustworthy, not when Cersei had previously threatened him with what he fears most, a return to the black cells. By the time he speaks up in public about the moon tea, I believe he'd have said anything Cersei wanted him to - and yet still hesitated because he knew he was helping precipitate a huge catastrophe.

Matarreyes;

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It does not really matter so much whether she had sex or rode a horse to break her maidenhood. What really matters is that she will have a very hard time to prove herself innocent now.

If the High Septon decides to negotiate with Mace Tyrell, her innocence might not matter so much. The Blue Bard's testimony can be discounted given that it was obviously tortured out of him, and without the threat of Cersei's retribution hanging over their heads, the other "witnesses" can safely recant any incriminating statements they made (in fact, it might soon be Mace Tyrell threatening them with dire consequences unless they do exactly that). As for the broken maidenhoods, it can easily be explained by the horseriding, if the High Septon is inclined to accept that as an explanation... which he might if given enough incentive.

[Memory Lane]

Depending on how fast Mace Tyrell's men get to King's Landing, there is a definite possibility that he'll have that incentive.

On a slight side note, it seems like threads on Margaery's virginity pop up every couple of months. I remember the last one.  :P

[WhiteHaven]

It was the best night in my life!

That should answer your question.

[moirne]

Daemrion, on Aug 17 2009, 05.39, said:

She was sleeping with Loras. It is known.

I really hope not! Jaime and Cersei are enough incest for the series. And it would just get confusing if Loras was gay, but also doing it with his sister  :stunned:

It's possible that Renly slept with her, but marrying her was a good cover for him and also an excuse to be with his lover all the time. I only see Renly sleeping with Margaery sparingly in order to get an heir. How awkward for the poor girl though if she lost her virginity to a man who was in love with her brother...

[Blackthrone]

moirne, on Aug 17 2009, 14.36, said:

I really hope not! Jaime and Cersei are enough incest for the series. And it would just get confusing if Loras was gay, but also doing it with his sister  :stunned:

It's possible that Renly slept with her, but marrying her was a good cover for him and also an excuse to be with his lover all the time. I only see Renly sleeping with Margaery sparingly in order to get an heir. How awkward for the poor girl though if she lost her virginity to a man who was in love with her brother...

It's pretty obvious that Margaery knew about Loras and Renly, and she seems quite unperturbed by it.

[VersusAllOdds]

A guy above said Renly must've devirginized her. It's very logical for her to get nailed on the first wedding night, unless her husband is gay.
I remember when Ser Ozney Kettleblack was reporting to Cersei, regarding his mission with Margaery. He said that the girl is obviously wanting some hot time with him, but that her retinue's everpresence is unabling her to do it. He might have lied to Cersei, or exaggerated as a cocky guy like him would, but then again to what end? Cersei would've knew he's lying/exaggerating when she saw there were no results.
From the above, I conclude that she may lost virginity with some of those knights from her escort. That Ser Talad guy was always suspicious to me.
I know we can all ramble and doubt, and reject to ever believe in Cersei's side (as Martin convinced us in numerous occassions that she's wrong), but I really do think Marg lost her virginity with a man, that's not Renly or Loras...

[King Bronn l]

A wilding, on Aug 17 2009, 07.29, said:

Though this rich young female appears to have a working amount of common sense, and will certainly have been made very well aware (by her grandmother if no one else) that adultery while married to a king is a crime that carries the death penalty, and that Cersei would be only too happy to ensure that the sentence was carried out.

Yea because thats stopped so many highborn women in this series. lol :fence:

[3idcrow]

VersusAllOdds, on Aug 17 2009, 13.31, said:

A guy above said Renly must've devirginized her. It's very logical for her to get nailed on the first wedding night, unless her husband is gay.

Surely, Renly could have pulled himself together to secure his crown by fathering a son. It happened before. King Edward II of England had four children with his queen Isabella while being a gay openly. It was said that he was taking his lovers to queens bed to ensure his best performance. I have no doubt that GRRM knows this tale well. Now remember who brought Margaery to Renly's bed... Too bad they didn't know YouTube in Westeros!

Edited by 3idcrow, 17 August 2009 - 05:41 PM.