First post here, but I am a member of Malazanempire and have read these Westros threads with interest.
A few points:
1: Where are people getting the quote that China Mieville said that "Martin is not your bitch"
Neil Gaiman was the one who said it:
Did China Miéville say it at some other point as well?
2: As Neil said in that piece,
"It seems to me that the biggest problem with series books is that either readers complain that the books used to be good but that somewhere in the effort to get out a book every year the quality has fallen off, or they complain that the books, although maintaining quality, aren't coming out on time."
While the thrust of his piece was about Martin, this paragraph could easily be used about Erikson. People complain that Erikson's later books past Book 3 or Book 5 (its usually one of those 2 points) are inferior, but that's a matter of subjective opinion. I don't like Book 7 and parts of book 9 because the sheer number of useless minor Bonehunter POV's was extremely annoying. However, I adore TTH and TBH (books 8 and 6). Its all subjective
And has been said some authors have different ways of writing, thats all. Erikson writing in the Martin way might not work at all.
Erikson is not your bitch either.
3: On the claim that he is spreading out the storylines to his writing partner or to following stories written by himself. Its a some-what fairish comment.
Erikson is writing:
The Kharkanas Trilogy, this is unrelated to the Malazan sequence as its probably going to be set entirly in the past and will explore the Tiste history. Its not necessary really.
The Toblaki trilogy: This will presumably carry on the story of Karsa. Its a fair point that this could have been in the main sequence. Unless Karsa was to be killed in which case, there would be no need to do this. (Side-bar, I wish Karsa was to be killed off as I can't stand him)
Esslemont has written:
Night of Knives: A book explaining the assassination of the Emperor and Dancer. This book was unnecessary as everything in it was explained in the main books.
Return of the Crimson Guard: It really WAS necessary to be an Erikson book, as the ending will presumably favour very much in The Crippled God.
Stonewielder: To be written by Esslemont. Its to be set on Korel, and will deal with the Malazan Campaign there and the Stormriders. Not in the main storylines at all. Builds on stuff from Retrun of the Crimson Guard.
Darujhistan Book: To be written by Esslemont. This may deal with Karsa/Kallor/The Tyrant. I think these issues should have been delt with in TTH (although I love the book as it is) and can be considered integral to the main sequence.
Jacurraku Book: To be written by Esslemont: No idea what this will be about. (other than the setting) Could be the end of Kallor? Who knows?
Assail Book: About Assail and Silverfox/Tlan Imass. I don't think Assail was a major story thread in the main Malazan books, just a name of fear.
So thats 10 (Erikson Malazan ones) + 3 (Toblaki trilogy) + 2-3 of Esslemont books.
15-16 books. Or you could be strict and say that EVERYTHING written belongs in the main sequence, in which case thats 22 books. I don't think thats a fair charge really. Some of Esslemonts books won't deal with the the Crippled God storyline, while some have/will
But of course your millage may vary.
4: Erikson has said that people either love or hate his books. I think he is right, based on this thread and others there is no middle ground. As to the idea of Martin versus Erikson and whose series is a failure. Neither book series is. I personally like them both. Martin is an amazing writer of characters who inhabit a great political story. Erikson writes great fantasy opera using a breathtaking sense of history. Its apples to oranges. Neither is "better"
Edited by blackzoid, 27 October 2009 - 05:58 AM.