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[Crazydog7]

Jon AS, on 21 October 2010 - 01:08 AM, said:

Wait, are you saying you can return a game to Amazon after having registered it on Steam and they'll refund your money while you can keep playing the game? That does not seem like a very sound business practice.

Well I guess you could technically doesn't apply to me at this point though.  

I really don't understand the point of no resale value myself.  I mean yes, I know why they would do it but the people who want to not pay for a game and still play it are still going to find a way all you'll end up doing is pissing off your customer base.  

The last time I put this much effort into trying to get a game to run was the PC adaptation of Braveheart back in '98.  I finally figured it out and the game still sucks.  In fact if I had to make a list of all the bad PC games I ever played Braveheart would be the 2nd worst.

[Jon AS]

Crazydog7, on 21 October 2010 - 01:28 AM, said:

I really don't understand the point of no resale value myself.  I mean yes, I know why they would do it but the people who want to not pay for a game and still play it are still going to find a way all you'll end up doing is pissing off your customer base.  

The point is that they are trying to focus on getting money from people who are actually willing to pay for games but whose money they don't get because they buy games used.

[Max the Mostly Mediocre]

Jon AS, on 21 October 2010 - 01:08 AM, said:

Wait, are you saying you can return a game to Amazon after having registered it on Steam and they'll refund your money while you can keep playing the game? That does not seem like a very sound business practice.

Well, how's valve going to know the copy associated with your account was returned?

ETA: Actually, I suppose it's possible they or the publisher have some sort of arrangement with retailers, but I'd be very surprised.

Edited by Max the Mostly Mediocre, 21 October 2010 - 02:32 AM.

[Crazydog7]

Max the Mostly Mediocre, on 21 October 2010 - 02:31 AM, said:

Well, how's valve going to know the copy associated with your account was returned?

ETA: Actually, I suppose it's possible they or the publisher have some sort of arrangement with retailers, but I'd be very surprised.

Wouldn't surprise me at all actually.  Probably owned by the same company.  

I guess I owed them this one.  I was trying to calculate in my head the last new game I bought other then Starcraft II and as I recall it was Delta Force 2.  If any of you remember that one.

[Max the Mostly Mediocre]

Crazydog7, on 21 October 2010 - 03:01 AM, said:

Wouldn't surprise me at all actually.  Probably owned by the same company.  

Given that Valve is a privately owned independent company, no.

[Jon AS]

Max the Mostly Mediocre, on 21 October 2010 - 02:31 AM, said:

ETA: Actually, I suppose it's possible they or the publisher have some sort of arrangement with retailers, but I'd be very surprised.

I think they just have to have that. Otherwise the copy of the game you returned to the retailer becomes completely worthless.

[Inigima]

steam (which is so spelled) predates gfwl by several years and also gfwl is a steaming turd

steam and amazon are owned by different people

you seriously have no idea what you're talking about

[Crazydog7]

Max the Mostly Mediocre, on 21 October 2010 - 03:53 AM, said:

Given that Valve is a privately owned independent company, no.

Again one of those instances where the internet needs a sarcasm button.  None of my posts should be taken as me being 100% serious 100% of the time.    

I guess if what I was trying to say was "privately owned and independent game/game related companies are a rare thing in this day and age", and if a company is truly privately owned and independent it will not stay that way forever.  I guess I just need to say it and not just infer that everyone is going "get it" automatically but it was late.    


And no as is in all things I never claimed to have an specific or even a general idea what I am/was talking about in regards to Steam (which is how it is spelled OK, OK I'll never misspell it again I promise.)  as this was my first experience with it.  I just wanted to play the damn game and got a little sidetracked.

[arrowfan]

I think the skidrow release bypasses Steam.... might be something to look into if you continue to have problems running the game.  

Impressions so far:
Its pretty good.  Doesn't have the awe of Fallout 3 for me though. Hoping the environments, cities and quests get more interesting.  

Some nice features like the ability to disguise in a faction's armor type. Hopefully they'll utilize this further for some espionage type things. Etc.

Story so far is rather ho-hum for me.  It just doesn't have that deep quest motivation of Fallout 3 (find your father! Restore fresh water to the people).  At least not yet.  

Combat is pretty much the same as F3.  Still fun.  World seems to be huge, so while were not going to be wow-ed by a new game platform, there's weeks of playtime to enjoy a massive Fallout 3 expansion.

[Jacen]

I wish Fallout would incorporate some kind of cover system. Or at least let us crouch, go prone, etc. Call of Duty style. Those moves are standard in most FPS now and Fallout not having them always seems glaring.

[Harry the Heir]

I'm only ten hours into Fallout New Vegas (I just got to the Strip a few minutes before I last stopped playing) but so far I think the main quest is a big improvement over Fallout 3. The Fallout 3 story primarily replayed old elements from Fallout 1 & 2 so it frequently felt like a retread of previous stories, plus the Enclave wasn't as a strong an antagonist the second time around because the pre-recorded Eyebot messages made them come off as kind of hokey.

By comparison, NCR and Caesar's Legion feel like very well-realized and interesting factions to me after only ten hours of game-play. And so far, I think the reputation system is good for making the Mojave Wasteland feel like an organic world. I sided with the Powder Gangers in an early set of quests, and found out later that the caravan companies didn't like me for that reason.

[Third Knight on the Left]

Peter Dyckman-Campbell, on 21 October 2010 - 07:57 PM, said:

I'm only ten hours into Fallout New Vegas (I just got to the Strip a few minutes before I last stopped playing) but so far I think the main quest is a big improvement over Fallout 3. The Fallout 3 story primarily replayed old elements from Fallout 1 & 2 so it frequently felt like a retread of previous stories, plus the Enclave wasn't as a strong an antagonist the second time around because the pre-recorded Eyebot messages made them come off as kind of hokey.

By comparison, NCR and Caesar's Legion feel like very well-realized and interesting factions to me after only ten hours of game-play. And so far, I think the reputation system is good for making the Mojave Wasteland feel like an organic world. I sided with the Powder Gangers in an early set of quests, and found out later that the caravan companies didn't like me for that reason.

Yeah the factions seem fun, I went the other way with the Powder Gangers and when I ran into a NPC on another quest he had a very strong reaction to me.

[Merentha]

I like the main quest a lot more than FO3's, mainly because it makes sense for almost every personality you could make up.  In FO3, it only really made sense if you played a decent-to-good character.  Why does my thief/bandit/bully kid want to follow my dad in the first place?  It worked great if you felt like following it, but it just didn't give you the freedom I wanted.  FNV's is much more open and much more suited to being played around with.  FO3 forced you to either be a pretty decent person or made you hilariously cartoonishly evil, with no real middle ground.

[arrowfan]

Well, Im warming up to the game some more. Had fun storming a powder ganger stronghold. Faction aspect is a nice addition. Being able to use different faction armor as a disguise, and to gain/lose favor with them based on what you do are cool features.

But.... ran into some bugs from it.

The AI doesn't react properly when you open fire while wearing their armor.  Some will shoot back, but others may ignore you and just let you shoot away.  Also, when I arrived at the NCR compound wearing powder gang armor they opened fire (fair enough, good!)... but then no matter what I did (change armor, run away) now the NCR hates me and shoots on site even while wearing nuetral armor.

Hmmm, will try killing an NCR guy to take his armor. Maybe they'll hate me more....

[Crazydog7]

Alright I'm trying one more thing before I box this up but I don't even know if it will work

Is there any way to get this to run in compatibility mode?
Also where are the game files for Steam games located?

Edited by Crazydog7, 22 October 2010 - 08:50 PM.

[kungtotte]

The files are located in Steam\steamapps\common\fallout new vegas\.

If you go in there you should be able to right-click the FalloutNV.exe and set up any compatibility-mode settings you need.

[Crazydog7]

Alright this is just making my head hurt.  I would have loved to return to the Fallout Universe but this pain and aggravation is simply not worth it.  Weather it is some conflict with New Vegas, Steam or ADI Catalyst I am never going to know the answer.  I really wish I hadn't given my copy of XP to my cousin last month but that's water under the bridge.  


Those of you who have windows 7 and were able to play this out of the box you lucky lucky bastards.  
Those of you thinking about buying it for PC who have the option of going X-Box or Playstation go that route.  No game is worth this amount of nonsense.  

I have to say a kind word for Steam as far mandatory programs you have to download because the game wouldn't let you play it otherwise its not that bad.  

Some of the Demos I was able to download over the last few days are quite fun indeed.  

Have fun kids.

[kungtotte]

People should absolutely not go the console-route if they have a computer that meets the recommended specifications. Half of the enjoyment in these games (New Vegas, Fallout 3, Oblivion) is in the mod-scene, a scene which you are forever locked out of if you decide to get the game on a console.


I'm sorry that you're having problems, but on the first page of this thread you linked to the ATI driver page for embedded drivers, is this really what you're trying to install? You need to go here and click on the link corresponding to your graphics card model. If it's not under the Graphics - Desktop category then it's almost certainly not powerful enough to run the game in the first place.

On the next screen, make sure you're selecting the right version of Windows 7 (32 vs 64 bit). Eventually you should end up on a page that looks like this. On it you will have a download called "Catalyst software suite (N bit) English only" (where N is 32 or 64, as appropriate). This is an executable installer, not a zip-file.

If this isn't what you've tried, five'll get you ten this is what's wrong.

[Crazydog7]

Wait I went through this with Steam doesn't it do it automatically?  

Well hell that explains a few things.  I had no idea my card what that low on the spectrum but since I typically don't play anything later then Oblivion it wouldn't have come up before.  Again had I known....I've got a 2400 but they said on the amazon supported chipset page that it was one of the supported cards.  The eternal question is one game worth get a new Graphics card for?  I guess it depends on the game.  
Hopefully I'll be able to try this one last time Sunday.  Then I'll box it and ship it out.

Theres my problem.  When I thought I was looking at the New Vegas System Requirements I was looking at the Fallout 3 System requirements.  

http://www.game-deba...lout: New Vegas


Stupid Stupid Stupid!!!
I feel like an idiot now but at least I figured out what the problem was.

Well guess its back to Mount and Blade Mods for awhile.

Edited by Crazydog7, 23 October 2010 - 01:33 AM.

[Inigima]

Hahaha.

I'm actually pleasantly surprised at how smoothly New Vegas runs on my machine. My machine isn't great -- Core 2 Duo 2.20Ghz, 3GB RAM, GeForce 8300 (basically their "oh shit we have to put a graphics card in here" card of the time -- but as long as I keep the settings real low, it runs like butter.

Game's still buggy, though. Fast travel crashed my game.