Sniffing Sister's and Mother's Panties

[Spoony]

I think a good way to approach this kid is to simply ask him what he thinks about girls.

Particularly girls his own age.

I think this panty issue might be symptomatic of him feeling isolated from his peers, so he is latching onto something feminine which is close by, and therefor 'safer' for him to approach.

The element of the forbidden mgiht tie into this.

But I don't think any of this is all that bad.

Which is why I wish he had the grace to not be discovered doing this. I suspect he would have soon stopped on his own, or would have soon outgrew it.

[Kosciuszko]

Failing that, Japanese panty cult leaders do have a great 401k and even dental.

[Crazydog7]

Failing that, Japanese panty cult leaders do have a great 401k and even dental.

I'm always heard the stories about the vending machines and don't know what to think.

I mean yes creepy but what a great business idea and we just think people will pay good money for anything in the United States.

Its probably like anything though with the Japanese mom and pop schoolgirl panty providers mostly a thing of the past or on the way out. All of the panties in Japanese vending machines actually come from Vietnam and people in Japan bitch about the increase in demand rising prices and the decrease in quality.

Are panties you get out of a machine a commodity or a consumable?

Seriously dudes this is the best thread we have had in a long time. I still say this is nothing to freak out about at the moment. The kid sniffed the panties by mistake and was trying to figure out why he wasn't automatically repulsed when your son walked in. And if he hadn't been seen put yourself in his position how does he say to anyone "Hey dad, I was sniffing mom's panties the other day and I have a few questions regarding my reaction"

Situations like this are why I don't plan on reproducing.

Cantabile best of luck with this. All of you do your best to resolve it without involving mental health professionals.

[Darkostar]

I think a good way to approach this kid is to simply ask him what he thinks about girls.

Particularly girls his own age.

This might be a good, safe area to start.

[Spoony]

I think you can buy used panties on craigslist.

Maybe on e-bay. Maybe not.

Here is a place.

http://www.pocopanties.com/used-panties.html

If there is a large enough market, some girls could do very well for themselves by selling their used underwear.

Those prices are ridiculous.

This world is unfair. I doubt anybody would want to buy my jockstrap...

[Crazydog7]

http://www.pocopanties.com/used-panties.html

If there is a large enough market, some girls could do very well for themselves by selling their used underwear.

There you go a Christmas gift for the man who has everything.

[Kosciuszko]

So I'll be clearing my browser history now.

[Stego]

Stego, what happened to those kids? I remember there was a thread about homeschooling, and you mentioned a really damn horrible situation.

They are dirty and live in squalor. We try to do everything for them we can. They are taught racism and hate for homosexuality. They are taught creationism. They wear dirty, ripped, home made clothing. They take karate and even their gi's are holed and patched and soiled. (We are going to get them new Gi's for the holidays.

I took some of them to see Tangled last week while my wife took the older kids to see the new Harry Potter. It was the first time in any of their lives they were able to get candy and popcorn at a movie. (Their parents have never taken them to a movie, only grandparents and church activities) I know this sounds like not a huge deal, but it's...it's sad to me.

The kids are stared at with disgust by children their own age for their appearance. When I took them to the movies, I was sneered at by no less than 3 women in the theatre lobby for the c0ondition of the youngest girls clothing. (Visibly soiled and tattered.) I was mortified.

They smell. They have horrible acne. Greasy, unkempt hair. They look at me like I'm insane when I suggest that showering is a daily activity. As if I just told them something that literally flies in the face of anything they have been taught before.

However, this should not be surprising. Their morbidly obese mother showers weekly or less by all accounts.

The oldest "graduated homeschool" last year, but still can't pass the GED, apparently.

If I had taken pictures of what their house looked like this past weekend, I could get them on hoarders, or at very least a cleaning show. I had an allergic reaction to the dirt and dust and whatever else is in their home. (I broke out in hives.)

I've deleted about 5 other things that are even worse but that I do not want to share publicly.

Yesterday at another family event they were unwashed.

I had to show them what Q tips were for.

I can't share this shit anymore, I'm getting too upset. Anyway, no changes, really.

[Balefont]

Okay, back on track...

I'm not sure if more escapism is desirable in his situation. He has a few friends, and has a lot going for him as a kid, but is incredibly withdrawn into himself already. Around two years or so ago my son was incredibly worried about him, because he had absolutely zero friends, showed no interest in society, and lived in his own shell. Now, there's nothing wrong with being introverted, I'm not saying that at all. This is a book forum, and I'm sure many of us have preferred books to people at some point. When I was a teenage I shunned the world and stayed locked up in my room with my violin, and I don't think it harmed me at all. However, my son was worried that my grandson was developing sociopathic tendencies, because he showed a complete lack of empathy and care for other people due to being so withdrawn at the time. Things have improved drastically since then, and he no longer manipulates people, but he is still pretty escapist already as it is. It is a shame, because when he was younger he was such a bright, sweet, and affectionate child. Basically a human teddy bear, bringing warmth and smiles to anyone around him. Makes me sad to realize he lost that, but he's still a sweet kid, just needs a nudge in the right direction.

I have to agree with King Bread on this, something changed in him. I'll bet you $20 his change into a withdrawn, self-protective and manipulative boy has everything to do with his psycho mother. And now, until this panty incident has come about, he appears to have been changing a bit for the better makes sense as well because as he grew and matured, he was able to adapt and change some strategies on how he deals with his life.

And now this.

The sexual aspect aside, it's no wonder the child does not respect his crazy overbearing mother or her personal space. Don't know anything about his relationship with his sister, but perhaps the damage done by mommy has translated to a lack of respect of boundaries between all females or close females.

The more I hear about this woman, the more I fear for the fate of your son and his family. I'd bet she's the type who has an A-game so that she can appear a concerned and nurturing mother/wife to outsiders.

ETA: Oh, William. :grouphug:

[Spastic Plastic]

I can't share this shit anymore, I'm getting too upset. Anyway, no changes, really.

Child Protection Services?

I mean, that situation is beyond disgusting and sounds like a form of child abuse.

[Balefont]

Child Protection Services?

I mean, that situation is beyond disgusting and sounds like a form of child abuse.

1) From what I gather, there are other family dynamics which make taking this step not as viable an option than it appears.

2) I have a sneaking suspicion the nasty parents are doing just enough to keep Child Services from removing the children.

[Spastic Plastic]

1) From what I gather, there are other family dynamics which make taking this step not as viable an option than it appears.

2) I have a sneaking suspicion the nasty parents are doing just enough to keep Child Services from removing the children.

Fuck. That's horrible. I hope those kids will become more well-adjusted as adults.

[Cantabile]

So here's what they discovered from the keylogger:

• It seems like the sniffing panties thing really is just an interest in underwear. He watched quite a few videos about "panties sharking" or something like that, where these guys in Japan go around running up to women wearing skirts in public, and pulling down their underwear to film it. Also viewed lots of forums about voyeuristic shots of women's underwear, which aligns with him taking those kinds of pictures of the girls at his school. Thankfully he did not post any of the photos, though.

• There was incestuous material, namely Japanese hentai about lesbian sisters, sisters and brothers, and boys and their mothers. I'm assuming this is just one of those getting turned on by tabboo topics, as there's plenty of mainstream porn about people getting it on with step sisters and such. Seems to be a common kink.

• A couple of videos about gay sex. Cruella, naturally, assumed that this meant he's bi, but this was just a couple of gay pornography in a flood of girl porn. It's not weird at all for a kid to be a little curious what exactly gay sex is. If he starts viewing it daily, that'll be a different matter. Even if he were bi, shouldn't be a big deal, as my son would be incredibly supportive, and even the mother. Though she's one of those, "I love gays and bis...so long as they don't get married to the opposite sex" hypocrites.

• He looked up quite a bit about bestiality. Bestiality does have a lot of shock value the first time you hear about it, so not too surprising a kid would want to know what the hell it is. What was slightly curious, though, is that most of his searches were very specific to beastiality with golden retrievers. And no, the family does not own a golden retriever. I'm guessing he just heard a story and was researching it, kinda' like when I first heard about the guy who died due to horse sex my search history looked quite scary that day :P

• He's getting his sex ed from a middle-aged man he met on Starcraft II. This is the thing I'm most uncomfortable with, because they're having webcam chats as well. I'm not jumping to the "PEDOPHILE!" conclusion, but I'm not really okay with a complete stranger on the internet teaching my grandson everything about sex. It's not too surprising, I guess, since he naturally has lots of questions, and doesn't seem to feel like he can ask those to his parents. A good chunk of their conversation was about more irregular sexual topics, though, like BDSM, tentacle porn, and such ... it's not like those are BAD topics, but from a middle-aged dude he met on Starcraft? Makes me feel very uneasy.

• Cyber sex. I am pretty sure this was a joke though. We don't know who the conversation was with, since the parents don't know his friends on AIM, but I believe it was with another man, and basically they were role playing Santa and Rudolph.... which is why I'm pretty positive it's a joke. His father and I have pretty warped sense of humors as well (though I can honestly say I've never thought about Santa and Rudolph having intercourse). The way the cyber sex was worded seemed very sarcastic and going-for-shock-value to me though. Things like, "I'm going to stroke your bushy Christmas tree with my hooves until your light bulbs glow and snow explodes all over your milk and cookies, baby ;)"

When I was growing up we didn't have cyber sex to talk about mythological creatures getting it on. How normal that is, I have no idea.

In conclusion, though, Cruella has agreed to have her husband try breaching the subject, because she would rather have him teach the kid this shit than some middle-aged gamer. She is still keeping the keylogger on, though, and plans on spying on him and "collecting evidence" as she puts it before bringing up the subject about the panties and possibly therapy.

[Balefont]

:blink:

Boys are weird.

[MinDonner]

Is it bad that I am literally crying with laughter at that Santa & Rudolf story? :uhoh:

[Kelli Fury]

Keylogger for pretty much ONE DAY and you get all of that??

[Solmyr]

I kinda missed the last 13 pages but ... what? They logged into his PC and screened his entire history? That kid might be the next Don Juan for all I know, but he needs to receive some basic computers education :).

Cantabile, don't worry too much, try to talk to the boy and explain everything. I'm sure he'll listen.

[Cantabile]

:blink:

Boys are weird.

Hey, girls do strange things too! I remember girls who used to write their names out using the last name of the boy they had a crush on. Slightly stalkerish :P

Is it bad that I am literally crying with laughter at that Santa & Rudolf story? :uhoh:

I laughed pretty hard too, and then I realized that somewhere out there is probably a porn site specifically devoted to Santa and Rudolph intercourse.

Keylogger for pretty much ONE DAY and you get all of that??

It was Sunday, and like I said he's pretty introverted, so was pretty much just on his computer all day. Of course there were tons of things on it unrelated to sexuality, but my son didn't really mention those.

One thing I should have perhaps mentioned, is that on Facebook (or maybe it was Myspace) he was talking to a friend, who was complaining about his own mother, and my grandson said something along the lines of, "Don't worry, my mom has a garden gnome perpetually shoved up her ass too." Oh, I would have payed so much to have seen Cruella's face as she read that!

[Spoony]

• He's getting his sex ed from a middle-aged man he met on Starcraft II.

This could mean roughly half of the people on this forum could potentially be giving sex advice to your grandson - or 13 year olds like him.

[The Evil Hat]

Wow, that's a rather...involved...history. My own e-habits seem so pedestrian, now. Still, I don't think that you can draw many conclusions from one day's worth of "evidence" about the bestiality/homoesexual things; if that's still going on some time from now, that could be different. The middle aged sex ed guy's a bit much, all told, especially when you bring in web cams.