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The Factual History of A Song of Ice and Fire: including complete bibliography


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#121 Lady Nastja

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:28 AM

same here. hadn't read fantasy or sci fi since high school. thought it was too low-brow. started GOT Oct 2012 because I was/am thinking about writing a historical novel, and I wanted to see how a successful popular novel (that's kind of like a historical novel) was written. boom. totally hooked. read all 5 books in a about 3 weeks. it did not even occur to me until I was near the end of DWD that the series wasn't finished!! re-read again in March. I'm obsessed.

i'm still hoping wow comes out by xmas 2013. please GRRM, write write write.


Me too /smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> At the current rate that he's writing, I am certain that it will be released sometime in 2014. But if he writes very quickly and well, it may be this Xmas. That would hands down be amazing, albeit unlikely.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 03:50 AM

WoW stands for 2014 as the end of times stood for 2012. Then we're not all in hell, so I guess there won't be much of a winter wind next year.

Still I keep my flayed fingers crossed.

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Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:07 AM

Actually I think the books will all come before the TV show:

March 2013: start showing ASOS1
March 2014: start showing ASOS2
March 2015: start showing AFFC
March 2016: start showing ADWD1
March 2017: start showing ADWD2
March 2018: start showing TWOW1
March 2019: start showing TWOW2
March 2020: start showing ADOS(1?)

So as long as there are 2 seasons each of ASOS (we know that) but also of ADWD and TWOW, then assuming a release date of first half of 2015 for TWOW, then he can delay the release of ADOS to early 2020. Still gives him 4.5 years to write it. Of course, this assumes that it is his last book! It might not be....

I just can't imagine the TV series overtaking the books. This would mean that any suspense finale, any surprise ending (who ends up on the Iron Throne? Who marries who? etc.) are revealed before he publishes it!? Unthinkable...


Given his current progress and pace of WoW, I think that it may be released some time in 2014. It seems likely...although I may just be being incredibly idealistic /biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 06:07 AM

You mentioned twice now in your last two posts that GRRM is basically writing faster than a speeding bullet to get the book out in 2014. Where does this assumption come from?

Do you have any insider information, or any new information that we might have missed, or is it just you being (probably way to) hopeful?

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 12:21 PM

You mentioned twice now in your last two posts that GRRM is basically writing faster than a speeding bullet to get the book out in 2014. Where does this assumption come from?

Do you have any insider information, or any new information that we might have missed, or is it just you being (probably way to) hopeful?

Did you mean me? If so:

I have been researching GRRM's writing pace for other books and his updates religiously, and I have found multiple references that he is writing faster than he usually would. He is currently a quarter of the way through the book, with quite a bit of "unedited" work. As someone who has some experience there, I know that editing doesn't take that long. So, once that chunk has been edited, he may be nearly halfway through. And while its being edited, he continues to write. He has quite a few projects that he's working on at the moment, but he has mentioned that quite a few will soon be finishing/ending and so he will have more time to work on the Winds of Winter.

That said, I am perfectly aware that I am being overly optimistic. I am well aware that the earliest release date will be mid to late 2014, but a little optimism never hurt anyone. Although after you said it, I realise that I may have phrased it in a way that insinuated that I had insider or canon information, and I am sorry if I did.

And if you didn't mean me, then I apologise.

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 03:29 PM

Yes, I did mean you. /biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />

I really hope you're right, but unfortunately it might be very optimistic (it can be done, if the side projects are limited).

I think that what's perhaps important to keep in mind is that yes, there's a chunk of 200-ish pages written and edited (?) already, and then probably some more that hasn't been edited, but those chapters that are were cut out of ADwD rather than being fresher material so while they will be new to us, they were written before he officially started writing TWoW.

If you've seen people who are less than hopeful, that's one of the reasons. It's been said for a while now that there's x amount of pages ready, but the amount hardly changes.

Now, you're totally right to keep optimism high, though, because what are you going to do without it? Let's not mope and pray that his pen and mind will be as swift as he wants it to be! /biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 05:36 AM

Now, you're totally right to keep optimism high, though, because what are you going to do without it? Let's not mope and pray that his pen and mind will be as swift as he wants it to be! /biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />

Exactly! /biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' /> Let us pray to the Old Gods /biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 08:10 PM

Elio 'Ran' Garcia and Linda Antonsson, whose credentials as masters of all things Westeros are well-founded: they are the admins of this very site and their mighty on-line concordance has served as a reference for GRRM himself when he wants to look up facts in a hurry.

The concordance is very useful though - looking through 'flora and fauna' of Westeros today - I was surprised to see the poppy was not listed (though milk of the poppy is mentioned in 'medicines').

Edited by The Knight of Flours, 24 May 2013 - 08:10 PM.


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 08:37 AM

@ OP Werthead

I feel like your last 'edit' really revamped what your originial OP was. Is that info somewhere else now? It was almost GRRM's life story starting in the early 90's and sort of the obstacles he overcame to write the books. I remember info about the '5 year gap' was included in the original OP.

Am I going crazy? Was that actually what your original OP was about? If so, where did that info go?

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 07:57 AM

@ OP Werthead

I feel like your last 'edit' really revamped what your originial OP was. Is that info somewhere else now? It was almost GRRM's life story starting in the early 90's and sort of the obstacles he overcame to write the books. I remember info about the '5 year gap' was included in the original OP.

Am I going crazy? Was that actually what your original OP was about? If so, where did that info go?


That might have been the ADWD update thread, which tracked that sort of thing more closely. If it was this one - it may have been, as the original version predated ADWD's release - then I probably edited all the stuff out that was no longer relevant. A discussion of the gap and so on would likely have been quite long.

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Posted 11 August 2013 - 06:45 AM

just want to point out that the mods for Medieval 2 and Crusader Kings 2 have been completed

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Posted 11 August 2013 - 03:01 PM

just want to point out that the mods for Medieval 2 and Crusader Kings 2 have been completed


The Crusader Kings II mod is probably the best Game of Thrones game out there, which is pretty funny yet somewhat predictable. Various game studious tried to make a good GoT game, and the best is an unofficial fan made mod.

I have played it a *lot*. It's a dynasty/bloodlines game (genetics, titles, intrigue), rather than a war game, though obviously there is plenty of war.

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 06:19 AM

just want to point out that the mods for Medieval 2 and Crusader Kings 2 have been completed


Medieval II's has not. There's a very early pre-alpha release (a demo, essentially). The final version is still not out.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 01:25 AM

Wow! I never knew that there was so much stuff about Game Of Thrones. I am reading the novels now and about to finish A Feast For Crows

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Posted 05 September 2013 - 07:15 AM

LATEST UPDATE: General update on everything.

THE SHORT STORIES & GRAPHIC NOVELS
The Hedge Knight, The Sworn Sword, The Mystery Knight and the forthcoming She-Wolves are short novellas (roughly 100 pages each) which form an ongoing serial which begins 89 years before A Game of Thrones and is expected (but not confirmed) to run through to about 39 years before AGoT. They chronicle the adventures of the hedge knight, Ser Duncan the Tall ('Dunk') and his young squire, 'Egg'. George RR Martin has said that there could be as many as nine to twelve of these stories. The Princess and the Queen is a historical novella set during the Dance of Dragons.

The Hedge Knight (1998)
The Sworn Sword (2003)
The Mystery Knight (2010)
The Princess and the Queen (2013)
The She-Wolves of Winterfell (forthcoming)


Why are these books 80-100 dollars on E-bay?
I'm just wanting to read them, I'm not concerned with first editions or anything collectible.
Should I just wait for the compilation to come out in 2014? Suggestions?

#136 Noah Snow

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Posted 14 September 2013 - 04:39 PM

I would really like a globe

#137 sgolvera

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 12:41 PM

I would really like a globe


Me too!

#138 SirRunty

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 03:47 PM

Thank you for this :)



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Posted 21 October 2013 - 08:10 PM


Why are these books 80-100 dollars on E-bay?
I'm just wanting to read them, I'm not concerned with first editions or anything collectible.
Should I just wait for the compilation to come out in 2014? Suggestions?


Do you have a cell phone? I got them all pretty cheap on the iPhone App Store. I did have to buy a whole book of stories for each one but each book was only about $8
I've heard they are all on google play store too.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 07:13 AM

This thread needs an update. I'll bet lots of people in here, can get som crack pot theories out of this material:

http://www.youtube.c...d&v=5Krz-dyD-UQ