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[Dragonfish]

Anomandaris86, on 09 May 2011 - 10:33 PM, said:

Yeah I know...but the invasion was originally supposed to be in that book wasn't it?

AFAIK, no. That's what I was trying to get across in my previous post. Sorry if I wasn't clear enough.

[Anomandaris86]

Hmm, I thought for sure that he said it was back in one of his earlier interviews, but it's been awhile so maybe I read it wrong or something.

Edited by Anomandaris86, 10 May 2011 - 02:43 AM.

[KyleLitke]

Anomandaris86, on 10 May 2011 - 02:40 AM, said:

Hmm, I thought for sure that he said it was back in one of his earlier interviews, but it's been awhile so maybe I read it wrong or something.

I actually remember that as well, but it's possible he changed his mind after. It might have been way back before he started expanding more stuff.

[Gregor Barksdale]

Anomandaris86, on 09 May 2011 - 10:33 PM, said:

Yeah I know...but the invasion was originally supposed to be in that book wasn't it?

No.

[RDKfromwesteros]

well

dance of dragons was how they call the fight betwem brothers of diferent genders for the iron throne, where the kingsguard was divide.

I think it myghti have something to do with Tomen aND Myrcela, Besides the obvius trys of Greyjoys, Tyrion and the Citadel to get to Dany's Dragons.

[blasted_saber]

A Times for Wolves is kick ass name. I wish he'd change his mind again.

[Beedhrom]

Werthead, on 13 January 2011 - 05:22 PM, said:

Martin had planned to end the first book with an event called the 'Red Wedding' but he was barely halfway there.

This is making me structurally rethink some things and it casts a new light on some others. If you look at where this Ur-AGoT (as in Ur-Hamlet) ends, it's roughly 705 pages into ASoS. So, structurally - and of course I am reaching, projecting, and alowing all of the changes GRRM has made in the interim - the last 420 pages of ASoS would have been in an Ur-ADwD, along with AFfC and the the present incarnation of ADwD. I think if we really only did have three books, and only two of them, we would see the material in AFfC as part of proper place - not a novel, but a chunk of story (and, unfortunately, only half of that chunk). Rather, its part of a second "meta-book," which includes everything from the last 3rd or so of ASoS and all the way to the end of ADwD, with some chapters in ADwD and AfFC occurring simultaneously.

I think also what is happening here, is that we will end up with 8 books - that like A Game of Thrones, GRRM will realize that once he has finished a book's worth of material for TWoW, he will realize he's less than halfway done and have to add one more book.

[Harry the Heir]

Beedhrom, on 31 May 2011 - 07:24 PM, said:

I think also what is happening here, is that we will end up with 8 books - that like A Game of Thrones, GRRM will realize that once he has finished a book's worth of material for TWoW, he will realize he's less than halfway done and have to add one more book.

I don't know about that. Presumably much of what happens in TWoW and ADoS is stuff that he's been setting up from the beginning, so he won't need to spend as many pages establishing stuff as he does in earlier books.

[Beedhrom]

Anomandaris86, on 09 May 2011 - 02:17 AM, said:

Still, wasn't the original plan for A Dance of Dragons to involve Dany's invasion of Westeros and the chaos that would ensue from that? Or am I not remembering that correctly? If that is case, then he hasn't written all of what he originally planned for A Dance of Dragons. So he has...what, two and a half books left?

And:

Harry the Heir, on 01 June 2011 - 09:11 AM, said:

I don't know about that. Presumably much of what happens in TWoW and ADoS is stuff that he's been setting up from the beginning, so he won't need to spend as many pages establishing stuff as he does in earlier books.

I just wonder if the announcement from Not a Blog found here, which mentioned:

"Sansa, Sam, Aeron Damphair, Arianne, and Brienne have no chapters in A DANCE WITH DRAGONS. Several of those characters had chapters written, completed, and polished that have been moved into THE WINDS OF WINTER."

might lend itself to the notion that instead of condensing two and a half books worth of material into two books, it might be something more like putting two and 2 2/3 books into three books?

[Asarlai]

Werthead, on 13 January 2011 - 05:22 PM, said:

A Storm of Swords... The novel was nominated for the 2001 Hugo Award and came second, narrowly missing out to J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire.

A travesty!

[Black Wizard]

The "Factual" history of a fictional series. Fascinating.

[suncoast]

I have heard rumors, recently and from dubious sources, that because of the length of many of GRRM's manuscripts and his writing style that the series may be expanded for an eighth and maybe even ninth novel to close the series out as the story he intended to tell. Is there any truth to this?

[Dragonfish]

suncoast, on 15 June 2011 - 11:13 AM, said:

I have heard rumors, recently and from dubious sources, that because of the length of many of GRRM's manuscripts and his writing style that the series may be expanded for an eighth and maybe even ninth novel to close the series out as the story he intended to tell. Is there any truth to this?

It's all just speculation from the fans. We've never gotten any indication from GRRM that the series will have to be expanded further, AFAIK.

[Harry the Heir]

Beedhrom, on 04 June 2011 - 08:02 PM, said:

I just wonder if the announcement from Not a Blog found here, which mentioned:

"Sansa, Sam, Aeron Damphair, Arianne, and Brienne have no chapters in A DANCE WITH DRAGONS. Several of those characters had chapters written, completed, and polished that have been moved into THE WINDS OF WINTER."

might lend itself to the notion that instead of condensing two and a half books worth of material into two books, it might be something more like putting two and 2 2/3 books into three books?

I don't think that there are necessarily two and a half books worth of material left after ADWD. Whatever sketchy plans GRRM may have had back in 1994, he's now completed five books and hasn't given any indication that the series will expand past seven. Could that change because of leftover ADWD material? I doubt it. So far, the chapters that GRRM has moved over to TWOW total ~100 manuscript pages. Add to that the two unwritten chapters that GRRM referred to a couple of years ago, and you're still talking about a small percentage of the eventual length of TWOW.

[Jacelynbywater]

Hello fellow Asoiaf fans. I was wondering things like.. What did Martin base Westeros off of?
I know I've read that his Asoiaf series is based off the War of the Roses and The Hundred Years War.... But I'm curious
if that basis is just for the theme and settings and reality of the medieval society.. And not for the geography of Westeros and The free cities Etc. So to speak did he just start drawing a continent just from his imagination? (Which might be hard to know without asking him)
Or maybe my question is.. Is the medieval 'war of the roses' backdrop just for grasping the.. reality and brutality and greed that long ago existed? compared to his geography and Major and minor houses being made up?
Sorry if it seems confusing, I guess I'm wondering what of the series Asoiaf are based off real history, if any, and what parts aren't.

[Howdyphillip]

Asarlai, on 06 June 2011 - 12:35 AM, said:

A travesty!

I just read a list of all of the Hugo award winners, and what books they ran against, and this is one of their smallest slights. I disagreed with the VAST majority of their opinions.

Even though the Potter books do not hold a candle to the creativeness and workmanship that goes into ASOIF, they are at least a good ambassador into the world of sci-fi and fantasy.

[Professor Stark]

Thanks for this excellent and informative backstory.

I am hoping that Book 6 will be easier to write because there won't be any Meereneese knots and re-conceptualizations of the story arc. Fingers crossed.

[Ser Alaster]

Thanks, I didn't know any of this lol I'm still reading AFFC but I can't wait to read a dance with dragons

[Shahrizai]

This is an amazing post!

[The Non-Human]

Brilliant post. Very interesting to see how it all developed.