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#1 Ser Greguh

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 12:47 PM

So I just noticed that the closing credits to the show features the following quotes:

"Dothraki, Ashai'i, and Skroth languages created by the Language Creation Society and David J Peterson."

Ashai'i and Skroth? What's up with that?

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 12:59 PM

Skroth is the name given to the language of the white walkers. You hear it in the opening of the first episode -- all that snow-crunching, ice-cracking sound when they're around? That's them having a bit of a chat.

Asshai'i will appear in a later episode. Book spoilers:

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Posted 25 April 2011 - 03:56 PM

I thought I had seen a mention of a White Walker language - glad to know I'm not crazy. So when do we find out what the White Walkers were saying /wideeyed.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wideeyed:' />

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 04:04 PM

I thought I had seen a mention of a White Walker language - glad to know I'm not crazy. So when do we find out what the White Walkers were saying /wideeyed.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':wideeyed:' />

I believe that when one throws the head towards Will he's saying "your mother was a hamster and your father smelled of elderberries".

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 04:37 PM

If Asshai'i is the language of Ashai then I assume that it would play a large role in this season's end but a larger one in the next season.

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 05:30 PM

Skroth is the name given to the language of the white walkers. You hear it in the opening of the first episode -- all that snow-crunching, ice-cracking sound when they're around? That's them having a bit of a chat.


What it's an actual language? With real meaning, I thought it was just a bunch of random snow sounds and ice breaking. So how much of the language exists? Is it a full language?

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Posted 27 April 2011 - 07:33 PM

What it's an actual language? With real meaning, I thought it was just a bunch of random snow sounds and ice breaking. So how much of the language exists? Is it a full language?


I'm not sure what we hear is exactly what was created. Here is what David Peterson said about it: "@gussvenin Yeah. There was an option to use more language-like stuff, but I think what they went with was good."

There has not been anything published about what David created.

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 09:26 PM

I think someone mentioned that the Asshai'i and Skroth language featuring in the first season were not in fact taken from a developed language as happened with Dothraki, as they only needed a little bit of dialogue in those languages. And I think, if I'm not mistaken, that maybe in the second and third seasons they will need to develop some actual Asshai'i and other languages.

I would like to help develop some of the languages, such as Valyrian. But I think David Peterson might already have something developed concerning High Valyrian, as it is going to appear soon enough and being questioned about it he said he couldn't comment, which to me is a possitive.

Edited by Aethan Stormrage, 11 March 2012 - 09:28 PM.


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Posted 21 May 2012 - 03:53 PM

D&D mention Skroth again in their preview interview of Blackwater.

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 06:11 AM

I can;t see any other fully developed language being created for the show other than High Valyrian, everyone from the East speaks it. Indeed aren't they supposed to be conversing in High Valyrian in Qarth, at least some of the time?

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Posted 22 May 2012 - 01:44 PM

I can;t see any other fully developed language being created for the show other than High Valyrian, everyone from the East speaks it. Indeed aren't they supposed to be conversing in High Valyrian in Qarth, at least some of the time?


I wish they did, that way I wouldn't have to listen to Xaro's absolutely lifeless delivery.

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Posted 24 May 2012 - 01:53 AM

I wish they did, that way I wouldn't have to listen to Xaro's absolutely lifeless delivery.


Not sure lifeless delivery in High Valyrian would be much of an improvement.

Hopefully at least the folks at Slaver's Bay speak High Valyrian.

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 07:05 AM

This may be a little off-topic and probably has been suggested before, but why do they need to create a new language? We can accept that Westerosi and English are exactly the same so why couldn't they just hire a bunch of French or German or Italian etc. actors and have them speak in their native language and say that it's High Valyrian? It would have saved the expense of developing a new language and allowed Qarth to feel a bit unique.

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Posted 25 May 2012 - 04:57 PM

I can;t see any other fully developed language being created for the show other than High Valyrian, everyone from the East speaks it. Indeed aren't they supposed to be conversing in High Valyrian in Qarth, at least some of the time?


High Valyrian intrigues me the most, because it's integral to the story in Storm of Swords. As I remember the Astapori (jerks) Dany has to deal with think she is Westerosi, I can't remember how this came about.
They speak some form of Valyrian , Dany is advised to not let on that she is really a Valyrian and pretend she does not understand, so it's a strategic part of the narrative.

At other time she speaks High Valyrian some settings and the listeners respond with surprise that she speaks it (no surprise to us, we know she is a Valyrian!). It was a nice touch on George's part.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 08:26 PM

Well not only High Valyrian, but you should develop the different lesser valyrian languages spoken all throughout. Each free city has its own version as different European nations had different romances. I think David will be able to handle this quite well, he even developed a Proto-Dothraki to make his complete Dothraki, so that he could work different dothraki dialects if needed.

I would imagine he'll do the same with High Valyrian and its descendants.

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Posted 05 August 2012 - 07:25 PM

I was thinking Skroth for the Wightwalkers and Ashai'i for the Old tongue (giants, first men)
Just a thought.

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Posted 06 August 2012 - 10:24 PM

I was thinking Skroth for the Wightwalkers and Ashai'i for the Old tongue (giants, first men)
Just a thought.


Skroth was a mockup for hte White Walkers language but it wasn't really used. They came up with the crackling sound instead rather than having someone speak words that wold sound like that. Asshai'i was used for the chants that Mirri Maz Duur was chanting. This was not a complete language created but mostly just a pholology in order to produce words but there was no grammar or meaning to the words created.

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Posted 07 August 2012 - 04:37 AM

The Old Tongue would be great to see on the show. Maybe by season 5 when we get giants and whatnot...

Let's have a look at the samples in the book and see what you can sketch up. Is Wun Wun's name typical of the Old Tongue, or just typical of giants?

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Posted 05 September 2012 - 05:28 PM

The Old Tongue would be great to see on the show. Maybe by season 5 when we get giants and whatnot...

Let's have a look at the samples in the book and see what you can sketch up. Is Wun Wun's name typical of the Old Tongue, or just typical of giants?


That's actually a very good question. I've been thinking on that myself. The names of the giants seem to be monosyllabic, while the Old Tongue seems to be polysyllabic... that's really puzzling but it could be that the giants have their own dialect of the Old Tongue... even when nothing hinting this is mentioned.

On the one side you have words like magnar, sygerrik and skagos, which look very germanic... but on the other you have the names of the giants, Wun Weg Wun Dar Wun, and Mag Mar Tun Doh Weg, and even woh dak nag gram, the giant's name for the Children of the Forest, which seem pretty Chinese or other monosyllabic languages. This could be due to a difference in dialect, but it's never stated explicitly.

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 02:01 PM

I believe that Mirri Maz Duur was singing in the language of Asshai.

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