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[Werthead]

By the way, are we thinking that we have gotten confirmation of a Victarion POV? It certainly sounded like an interior thought process, whilst Ramsay going off on one was presumably from Reek's POV.

And what do people make of Ramsay being back at Winterfell? What is he doing there?

[kalbear]

I'd think Ramsay was chasing down someone.

I can't imagine the Kettleblacks leaving, and I really would be surprised if Tommen died this early. If only because that would mean a whole lot of story we would miss in KL while we're doing all this stuff in Essos and the Wall, and to be filled in about events like "Tommen died, we took off, kingdom in ruins" offscreen seems really, really odd.

I think that for the most part we're done with KL new events. So I suspect this is in reference to prior ones.

[RWHamel]

Kalbear, on 28 April 2011 - 06:13 PM, said:

I'd be really amused if it were the two dwarves.

Didn't Quentyn Martell see the dwarves in Volantis?

Edited by RWHamel, 28 April 2011 - 06:25 PM.

[The Scabbard Of the Morning]

It could just be Theon's recollection.

[RWHamel]

Werthead, on 28 April 2011 - 06:19 PM, said:

By the way, are we thinking that we have gotten confirmation of a Victarion POV? It certainly sounded like an interior thought process, whilst Ramsay going off on one was presumably from Reek's POV.

And what do people make of Ramsay being back at Winterfell? What is he doing there?

Well, it sounded from the Reek chapter that he was taking a force to attack Moat Cailin from the North. So this could be on the way to do that.

[Datepalm]

I don't think its a POV (The King killing siblings) - It sounds like someone talking in first person, and the POV listening. Kettleblacks is one guess, but its someone protesting innocence, and it seems odd for the KB's to refer to each other as 'my brother'. I think they've referred to each other by name elsewhere. Margaery?

[RWHamel]

Kalbear, on 28 April 2011 - 06:22 PM, said:

I'd think Ramsay was chasing down someone.

I can't imagine the Kettleblacks leaving, and I really would be surprised if Tommen died this early. If only because that would mean a whole lot of story we would miss in KL while we're doing all this stuff in Essos and the Wall, and to be filled in about events like "Tommen died, we took off, kingdom in ruins" offscreen seems really, really odd.

I think that for the most part we're done with KL new events. So I suspect this is in reference to prior ones.

They do have a brother to save from the Septon.

[Ran]

That's definitely a Victarion chapter. George mentioned several krakens, so it was expected.

[RWHamel]

Datepalm, on 28 April 2011 - 06:27 PM, said:

I don't think its a POV (The King killing siblings) - It sounds like someone talking in first person, and the POV listening. Kettleblacks is one guess, but its someone protesting innocence, and it seems odd for the KB's to refer to each other as 'my brother'. I think they've referred to each other by name elsewhere. Margaery?

It could be the dwarves, and Joffrey is the King.

Edited by RWHamel, 28 April 2011 - 06:33 PM.

[Werthead]

The Scabbard Of the Morning, on 28 April 2011 - 06:22 PM, said:

It could just be Theon's recollection.

Reek = Theon.

Given this is the spoiler thread we can probably just call him Theon anyway

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Well, it sounded from the Reek chapter that he was taking a force to attack Moat Cailin from the North. So this could be on the way to do that.

Except that Winterfell isn't on the way from the Dreadfort to Moat Cailin, unless you want to go hundreds of miles out of your way.

Also, 'Lord' Ramsay? An honorific or is Roose dead?

[RWHamel]

For Maggey the Frog's prophecy to come true, if Tommen does not die in DwD, then Tommen, Myrcella, and Cersei all have to die TWoW. Seems like the timing would be bad if that was done.

[Bronn Stone]

Datepalm, on 28 April 2011 - 06:27 PM, said:

I don't think its a POV (The King killing siblings) - It sounds like someone talking in first person, and the POV listening. Kettleblacks is one guess, but its someone protesting innocence, and it seems odd for the KB's to refer to each other as 'my brother'. I think they've referred to each other by name elsewhere. Margaery?

Margaery is my guess.  I suspect she initially fled then returned to KL.  But it is a big fat pink stretch to believe that Margaery feared torture.

[RWHamel]

Werthead, on 28 April 2011 - 06:44 PM, said:

Reek = Theon.

Given this is the spoiler thread we can probably just call him Theon anyway



Except that Winterfell isn't on the way from the Dreadfort to Moat Cailin, unless you want to go hundreds of miles out of your way.

Also, 'Lord' Ramsay? An honorific or is Roose dead?

The quickest way is not always a straight line. You would want to go to the best road, and that would seem to me to be The Kingsroad.

[Bronn Stone]

What if the "D" word is "Dragonslayer".

[RWHamel]

It could be Lord Ramsay, because he married Lady Hornwood before starving her to death.

[Bronn Stone]

RWHamel, on 28 April 2011 - 06:56 PM, said:

It could be Lord Ramsay, because he married Lady Hornwood before starving her to death.

Tyrion was called Lord Tyrion several times by smallfolk long before Lord Tywin was dead.  It could just be a style.

[iheartseverus]

I'm thinking the last word might be 'dead,' as in someone making a shocking announcement--like walking out of a tent to face an anxious and fearful group that's been wailing and praying it might be otherwise (as well as anxious and fearful readers wailing and praying it might be otherwise)--and uttering the dreadful words that indeed 'X is dead.'  Now, there's a cliffhanger!

When's WoW due out, exactly?  

[Bronn Stone]

iheartseverus, on 28 April 2011 - 07:03 PM, said:

I'm thinking the last word might be 'dead,' as in someone making a shocking announcement--like walking out of a tent to face an anxious and fearful group that's been wailing and praying it might be otherwise (as well as anxious and fearful readers wailing and praying it might be otherwise)--and uttering the dreadful words that indeed 'X is dead.'  Now, there's a cliffhanger!

But is "dead" spoilerific enough on its own to where Anne Groell would refuse to speak the word?  I think not.

[iheartseverus]

Bronn Stone, on 28 April 2011 - 07:04 PM, said:

But is "dead" spoilerific enough on its own to where Anne Groell would refuse to speak the word?  I think not.

No, not spoilerific at all.  I'm thinking the publishers had worked out this whole 'give them a few hints to drive them mad' scenario in advance, no matter what the last word was going to be.  Whatever, its just a theory.  Do I get a virtual lemon cake if I'm right?  (Just no pointy end if I'm wrong, please...)

[Kosciuszko]

Bronn Stone, on 28 April 2011 - 07:04 PM, said:

But is "dead" spoilerific enough on its own to where Anne Groell would refuse to speak the word?  I think not.

Its obviously a portmanteau of dead and Daenerys.