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[thistlepong]

kaythetall, on 01 June 2011 - 11:31 PM, said:

I'm not saying that the Adem will literally burn their words, but that an ongoing theme is silly things having a serious reality to them, and the idea of 'burning words' when there's a big paper stack of them at the end of this story, well that's just asking for a burning.

That's a clever observation, kaythetall.  It may happen anyway, whether it's attached to word burning/naming or not.  The notion that the name could come to him as a surprise is also interesting.

Yallow, on 01 June 2011 - 09:27 PM, said:

Aren't all the pages in the books from his perspective, since he is the one writing the story

No.  Someone else is writing the story.  Other than the obvious answer, Patrick Rothfuss, there's a narrator with pov for Chronicler, Bast, and Kvothe; separately.  In some ways, it's a story about Chronicler gathering the Kingkiller Chronicle.  There's also a roving eye narrator capable of observing the townspeople if not their inner lives in the absence of the three primary characters.  In that way it's a story about an Inn in the middle of Newarre.

Dune, on 01 June 2011 - 03:19 PM, said:

And he can't be lying why? If Chronicler is part of some greater plot(he's associated with Skarpi after all, who most definitely is more than an old story teller), why would he tell Kvothe the full extent of his power? C could be anything from what he says he is, to the leader of the Amyr, we really don't know. All we know about him is that his name is Devan and he wrote a nice little book about dragons.

'Cause it'd be disappointing?  And 'cause conjecture starts to spin out of control when we posit particular lies.  Kvothe is allegedly powerful dangerous guy who might know he's lying.  So you'd have to posit he knows Kvothe's depowered.  So why would he be afraid of him?  Etcetera...

We know he allowed himself to be robbed.  We know he hurt Bast but failed to bind him, and came close to being killed for it.  We know he allowed the shamble man to touch him.  I dunno.  Surely he can be lying, just seems unlikely is all.

[nox471]

i cannot wait for this. these are my favourite books ever

[Kylar Stern]

That bit about allowing himself to be robbed, is that linked to the coins?

[KC F]

Although I'm late to the speculation-mill, here are a few of my ideas that might come to fruition in the next book:

1: Lady Lackless is Kvothe's Aunt - When he first meets her, he talks about how familiar she seems although he never met her before.  Also, in the first book, there are hints that his mother was from a noble family.

2: Ambrose becomes King - there have been many mentions of how close the Jackiss family is to the throne (even closer in the second book).  If Ambrose became the King, then I would completely understand Kvothe earning his title as "Kingkiller" by killing Ambrose finally.

3: Kvothe is caught behind the stone door in Stacks and kicked out of the University - We've been told that he was kicked out of the University for stealing something.  Perhaps it was instead for stealing a glance at what was behind the stone door.  He does have a knack for getting caught in misunderstandings.

4: Denna dies - It's the only thing I can think of that would explain his complacency as the innkeeper Kote, especially if he blames himself for her death.  It seems to fit that they [Kvothe and Bast] refer to Denna in the past-tense were she to have died before Kvothe became an innkeeper.

5: Bredon is one of the Amyr or Denna's patron - the Cthaeh mentioned that Maer Alveron was close to the Amyr, it makes sense with the economy of characters Kvothe interacts with regularly that could fit the role of an Amyr.  Plus it seems that an Amyr who focused on the greater good would be better at tack.  This one is just a shot in the dark though.  Bredon could also be Denna's patron, which might fit better since Bredon refused to explain his station to Kvothe, and instead resorted to exchanging silver rings.  The secrecy of his station might fit the secrecy of Denna's patron.

I'll post more wild supposition later.

[kcf]

KC F, on 29 June 2011 - 09:07 AM, said:

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Hey dude, whatcha doin' trying to take over my user name?

[Sylvester]

KC F, on 29 June 2011 - 09:07 AM, said:

Although I'm late to the speculation-mill, here are a few of my ideas that might come to fruition in the next book:

1: Lady Lackless is Kvothe's Aunt - When he first meets her, he talks about how familiar she seems although he never met her before.  Also, in the first book, there are hints that his mother was from a noble family.

2: Ambrose becomes King - there have been many mentions of how close the Jackiss family is to the throne (even closer in the second book).  If Ambrose became the King, then I would completely understand Kvothe earning his title as "Kingkiller" by killing Ambrose finally.

3: Kvothe is caught behind the stone door in Stacks and kicked out of the University - We've been told that he was kicked out of the University for stealing something.  Perhaps it was instead for stealing a glance at what was behind the stone door.  He does have a knack for getting caught in misunderstandings.

4: Denna dies - It's the only thing I can think of that would explain his complacency as the innkeeper Kote, especially if he blames himself for her death.  It seems to fit that they [Kvothe and Bast] refer to Denna in the past-tense were she to have died before Kvothe became an innkeeper.

5: Bredon is one of the Amyr or Denna's patron - the Cthaeh mentioned that Maer Alveron was close to the Amyr, it makes sense with the economy of characters Kvothe interacts with regularly that could fit the role of an Amyr.  Plus it seems that an Amyr who focused on the greater good would be better at tack.  This one is just a shot in the dark though.  Bredon could also be Denna's patron, which might fit better since Bredon refused to explain his station to Kvothe, and instead resorted to exchanging silver rings.  The secrecy of his station might fit the secrecy of Denna's patron.

I'll post more wild supposition later.

Hi KC F, welcome to the forums!

Nice theories and cool first post. Most of this stuff has been said in the 6 threads about The Wiseman's Fear (Yeah, that is a lot), so if you have the courage, you can read all of them (although you must have a LOT of courage and patience to do that, even though it's an extremely interesting read), but I think the things you stated are the most discussed and most agreed (or disagreed) upon theories.

I'll just give some quick feedback here, but I encourage you to join the discussion on the other thread (CtrlC/CtrlV your post, perhaps?)

1) There's one massive piece of evidence for this that has been spotted, it's a rhyme which Kvothe recalls where Arliden calls Laurian "Not tally a lot less" which is roughly the same as "Netalia Lackless". Although a concurrent theory for this is that Denna is a Lackless.

2)A lot of disagreement on this one. I'll leave it up to you to check the different arguments in the 5-6 threads

3)Yeah, quite possible.

4)I don't remember seeing this theory really discussed, but it looks very interesting from my point of view. But the general opinion is that Denna betrayed Kvothe, but in which way, there's no clue.

5)Yes, a lot of theories have come up for the identity of Master Ash. The two most convincing ones are Master Ash=Bredon and Master Ash=Cinder, the first one being a little more probable. I like the argument of comparing the secrecy surrounding Ash and Bredon. You may also have noted that both Bredon and Ash have a walking stick and are learning to dance.

[KC F]

kcf, on 29 June 2011 - 11:49 AM, said:

Hey dude, whatcha doin' trying to take over my user name?

lol, just using an abbreviation of my actual name.  Not trying to steal yours =P

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

KC F,

If Bredon is an Amyr why would he encourage Denna to write a song showing Lanre (Lord Haliax) as a hero and Seltios, founder of the Amyr, as far as we know as the villian?

[#12]

*I apologize beforehand for any grammar or spelling errors.
A few things I have noticed:

1. Felurian mentions that "he," who I'm assuming is Iax, is "shut beyond the doors of stone." Not really sure what that means, but I'm guessing that's what the title is refering too. The Archive's four-plate door is an important door, obviously, but I do not think it is the book's namesake. While we're on Iax...

2. Iax is obviously who created the Faen realm. Felurian says so herself, and Hespe's story implies it with the "folding house." However, the box that Iax uses to capture the moon is forgotten. I believe the Loeclos Box is Iax's box. The Yllish story knot theory is pure nonsense. However, since I'm talking about the creation of the Faen realm...

3. Felurian refers to eating silver fruit in Murella. Murella is one of the seven (or eight?) cities mentioned in Skarpi's tale. That means the Faen realm didn't exist until after Lanre's betrayel. There's really no point in mentioning this other than the fact that it adds a timeline. If the Loeclos box is around 3000 years old, and it is indeed Iax's box, then the Faen realm is only about 3000 years old.

4. Tehlu is one of the Amyr. When Marten prays to Tehlu in the presence of Cinder, Cinder runs. The entire Tehlan church is basically a church worshiping the Fae Amyr. This can also be concluded from Skarpi's story in tNotW.

5. No real basis for this, but I believe the Adem and the Edema Ruh were once one people. The Edema Ruh love music, the Adem don't despise it, but it's a private thing for them. Some rift devided these two people. Thus the Edema Ruh remained wanderers while the Adem settled down near the Stormwal.

6. Kvothe is obviously Lady Lackless's nephew. The "not tally a lot less" is a dead give-away, along with Laurian's (Natalia's) mention of Arliden stealing her from noble life, or something like that.

I've got some more theories, but most of them are based on what I want to happen. I do have a few questions that I would love outside input on:

1. What is Auri's part in all this? She is obviously key to the plot, but how I do not know.

2. What is behind the four-plate door? That, in particular, is killing me.

3. Who the hell calls Kvothe "Dulator"?

4. Why doesn't Kvothe just learn the name of gold or silver and duplicate it? Bingo, free moneys.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

#12,

I love the Adem /Edema Ruh link theory.  Though that does pattern a bit after the Aiel/tinker thing from Wot.

[#12]

Ser Scot A Ellison, on 03 August 2011 - 12:18 PM, said:

#12,

I love the Adem /Edema Ruh link theory.  Though that does pattern a bit after the Aiel/tinker thing from Wot.

I developed this theory first from how similar the two names are. "Edema" and "Adem" just seemed to close to be a coincidence, and from what I've seen of Rothfuss' writing, there are no coincidences. After the Adem's beliefs on music were introduced, it really set me off. I even took time to break down Edema Ruh into "Adem" and _______, but I couldn't find any word other than "Hure," which isn't even a word. Should've realized Rothfuss' wouldn't use anything as mundane as that in his writing.

[cloudbusting]

I really enjoyed the first 2 books, and I must say, it takes alot of balls for people on a GRRM forum to complain about when a book will be out by ANY other author.  Also, WMF is a middle book, it does what middle books do, if you don't want to read a trilogy/series stop reading them.  There are many fantastic authors who right stand alone novels,  GG Kay, Gaiman, Mieville...

[DerBibliothekar]

First things first: Sorry for the threadamancy.

But when i read along, #12s post kinda struck me...

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I couldn't find any word other than "Hure," which isn't even a word.

Well it IS a word, a german one, it translates as "whore"

I'll leave it to you to judge, if this is just a funny coincidence, or fully intentional.
(considering the Adem view on musicians...)

[Memory Lane]

kcf, on 29 June 2011 - 11:49 AM, said:

Hey dude, whatcha doin' trying to take over my user name?

I thought he was your ten-foot tall cousin.

[AverageGuy]

#12, on 04 August 2011 - 12:43 PM, said:

I even took time to break down Edema Ruh into "Adem" and _______, but I couldn't find any word other than "Hure," which isn't even a word.

"Ruach."

[Quanah666]

As for the stuff about kvothe being lady lackless' nephew, along with the song by arliden in NoW, we also know that her sister was seduced and stolen away by an edema ruh, so there is a pretty good chance it's her. Additionally kvothe's mother, upon hearing the little chant kvothe was singing (the one about the lackless box) was furious with him.

As for the bit about cinder being denna's patron, that can't be right because denna calls master ash "an elderly gentleman" and cinder appears young. However, it is not alltogether unlikely that another member of chandrian IS her patron because of the song of 100 sorrows.

As for the inside of the lackless box being tied to th chandrian, that is impossible. The lackless box is roughly 300 years old, and the chandrian are ten times older.

Now for a bit of my own stuff

I think denna probably has some strange power which has to do with writing, which is why she asked them about sygldry in the eolian. After all, we all ready no she ran away from home, and can you blame her? A power like that would be more a curse than a blessing.

[Martin Murd]

Let us start with the introduction, shall we?

"I have stolen princesses back from sleeping barrow kings. I burned down the town of Trebon. I have spent the night with Felurian and left with both my sanity and my life. I was expelled from the University at a younger age than most people are allowed in. I tread paths by moonlight that others fear to speak of during day. I have talked to Gods, loved women, and written songs that make the minstrels weep. (copied from P. Rothfuss webpage)"

IMHO, there's enough material for quite packed quadrilogy. And i thought that he gets expelled for harmful use of sympathy (killings in woods).

[Tears of Lys]

Martin Murd, on 02 March 2012 - 06:08 PM, said:

Let us start with the introduction, shall we?

"I have stolen princesses back from sleeping barrow kings. I burned down the town of Trebon. I have spent the night with Felurian and left with both my sanity and my life. I was expelled from the University at a younger age than most people are allowed in. I tread paths by moonlight that others fear to speak of during day. I have talked to Gods, loved women, and written songs that make the minstrels weep. (copied from P. Rothfuss webpage)"

IMHO, there's enough material for quite packed quadrilogy. And i thought that he gets expelled for harmful use of sympathy (killings in woods).

That's entirely possible.  I actually bring this "incident" up in the  WMF thread.  The killing-machine Kvothe turns into quite rightly gives rise to his "Kingkiller" malfeasant persona as opposed to the "Kvothe the Arcane," which is kinder and gentler.  I sometimes think all the concussions Kvothe has suffered in his short life have knocked some screws loose.


BTW, anyone got an ETA on Doors of Stone yet?

[ncfitzge]

We already know what is behind at least one of the stone doors.Felurian tells Kvothe that one of the shapers was locked behind one: "She shook her head. “no calling of names here. I will not speak of that one, though he is shut beyond the doors of stone.”

Which makes sense if you consider that stone archs are the doorways to Fae. Also,

Elodin knows about the stone archs and he indicates he knows about the stone doors. “Where does the moon go,” Elodin asked grimly, “when it is no longer in our sky?” So I think it fits together.

[blueice]

pat5150, on 26 May 2011 - 09:56 AM, said:

The interview Rob and I did with Rothfuss when TNotW came out can be found here.

I don't think it was in that Q&A, but I remember the info regarding that second trilogy to be well-known at that time. It was probably in another interview, or one of Pat's blog posts...

Patrick

in the interview it is not confimed that there will be anther trilogy patt just ignores that part of the question