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Is Rhaegar alive?!?


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K, by the end of the fourth book, we seem to know a little more about Rhaegar Targ. For one, he thought he is TPTWP. So he starts training to became a warrior/champion, even if didn’t had any love for fighting. He is married, but in love with a Stark(or he just needs a child with fire and ice in his veins)…

He knows that the first prince got his sword by hurting the woman he loves, so he ends up hurting Lyanna(rape, childbirth, other ways, etc)….or he CAN’T hurt her because he loves her too much(so he can’t be AA). His sword doesn’t burst in flames, so he realizes that he’s not AA/TPTWP, but one of his children/relatives might.

Lyanna Stark’s kidnapping and his father’s rash decisions against the major houses who demanded justice for Lyanna’s abduction is the spark that lights the fires of war and Robert and Nedd\s rebellion….and Rhaegar knows that he’s responsible for it

We are now at the battle of the Trident.

Robert and Rhaegar fight in the river, and at one point Robert delivers a devastating blow with his war hammer and Rhaegar falls in the water of the river, his breastplate destroyed and rubies flying anywhere. The soldiers all jumped in the water to pick them up, there is confusion everywhere, etc. Rhaegar is considered dead.

There are several things I found strange:

-there is no mention of Rhaegar’s body being buried/burned or his head put on display on a pike…although Robert would have done that…after all, he really hated the guy

-there is another mention of the fact that Rhaegar wasn’t found….when they talk about the many Hands Aegon changed in a short period of time before he was killed.

So maybe in the confusion after he was wounded and unhorsed, some of his knights took him and his body away from the battle…but they were caught by some enemies, fought and were killed, but nobody paid close attention at a body without armor that was taken away by the currents downstream…

Let’s go to the 4th book of the series, AFFC, and to Brienne. She finds a little island where some priests/brothers have a little settlement. There she finds the leader of that settlement, the Big Brother. He was a man who fought in the battle of the Trident, and was wash away until he reached the island...along with 6 rubies from Rhaegar’s armor.

So there can be two options:

1. He was wounded, but alive…the brothers helped with his wounds and he stayed there in hiding, to atone for his sins.

2. He was dead, but the Big Brother that was there at the time gave him the kiss of fire/life or whatever they call it and he was brought back to life. The dragons weren’t alive at that moment, so the powers of the priest weren’t enough, but since Rhaegar already had fire in his blood, the ritual was all that it took for the resurrection to be a success. He couldn’t remain a Targ, so he came up with a cover story…but kept a lot of things that were true for Rhaegar and himself as well.

Let’s look a little closer at this Elder Brother(Rhaegar is Dani’s elder brother, but this is only conjecture)

-he lives in a cave that is very neat and properly…has few possessions, but several cases with books(Rhaegar always liked to read)

-he’s in his forties(44), the same age Rhaegar would have been at the present

His head is shaved, and his beard as well….his hair is starting to grow again, but alas, Brienne fails to mention the color of it

-the eyes are also mentioned, but again, the author fails to mention their color

-he has healing hands and can heal people that no one else can heal…maybe with his dragon blood?!?

-he tells Brienne that the hound is dead and buried, but the spoilers…never mind that

And now about the cover story:

-he fought on Rhaegar’s side(obviously);

He tells Brienne he died in the battle of the Trident(metaphorically or resurrected by the Elder Brother before him)

-he washed up on the island without his armor

-he was a knight, but he never chose it…

-he did not disgraced himself with a sword(that sounds vaguely familiar)

-‘ I had women too, and there I did disgrace myself, for some I took by force’…could he be talking about a certain Stark beauty?!?

-‘ There was a girl I wished to marry, the younger daughter of a petty lord’…this can again be a reference to Lyanna Stark

The rest of his story is changed, but as a cover story should be.

Any thoughts?

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It's a good theory though...

How is this one more unbelievable than the one that pretty much the same happened to the Hound? (And that one isn't too improbable either)

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I thought, and I might be wrong, that Robert's blow had crushed in his chest to the point it was a fatal blow, and clearly so.

That warhammer, swung by a man consumed of that much hate for Targaryens, I am a little surprised it didn't go straight through, armor be damned. :dunno:

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do you think that robert hasn't made sure he killed the guy who (at least from robert's point of view) raped the woman he loved?

robert says, in no uncertain terms, that he has killed rhaegar "only once" and he dreams of killing him each night.

no offense intended to OP but this is as crackpot theory as i've heard.

if only GRRM finished ADWD earlier, we might not have had to suffer through all the theoris that arise when readers who eagerly await the next book for years endlessly re-read already published books and see "hidden meaning" in every single thing.

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It seems to me that Rhaegar's body fell into the hands of the rebels, and he was a very publically known figure. Both of them should be enough to ensure that he wouldn't have the ability to escape alive.

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..........

if only GRRM finished ADWD earlier, we might not have had to suffer through all the theoris that arise when readers who eagerly await the next book for years endlessly re-read already published books and see "hidden meaning" in every single thing.

Touche!

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Yrp, everybody's still alive, except Ned, Aerys, Viserys, Drogo and Tywin Lannister. And possibly Lady. ;)

They're not dead if you haven't seen the body! :wideeyed:

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Apart from this theory beeing very far fetched you bring up facts that do not exist.

The brothers at the Quiet Isle follow the seven and not R'hllor and so they wouldn't have the ability to bring someone back to the living with the kiss of R'hllor.

Secondly the discription of the elder brother does not fit Rhaegar. While Rhaegar is descriped as very beautiful,the elder brother is described as having a square head and a heavy jaw, what really does not apperar to be very pretty but more rough.

He also told Brienne that he was the third son of a knight and was quite poor, not being able to offer a woman more than his shield, sword and horse.

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Apart from this theory beeing very far fetched you bring up facts that do not exist.

The brothers at the Quiet Isle follow the seven and not R'hllor and so they wouldn't have the ability to bring someone back to the living with the kiss of R'hllor.

Secondly the discription of the elder brother does not fit Rhaegar. While Rhaegar is descriped as very beautiful,the elder brother is described as having a square head and a heavy jaw, what really does not apperar to be very pretty but more rough.

He also told Brienne that he was the third son of a knight and was quite poor, not being able to offer a woman more than his shield, sword and horse.

-they probably can't do it, if he was dead...but he(and others before him) can heal wounds that no one else can...how do you explain this without some magic/dragon blood involved?

-he was beautiful. But wounds and the passing of time(also known as aging) can alter some features in someone.

I don't know how Cersei would have described a bald Rhaegar :)

And Brienne didn't called him ugly. He just has some strong features...

And someone said that he also smashed his head after smashing his armor with the hammer? In which book/chapter is this part? I want to find as many references to that fight, but I found only a couple of them, and none had a lot of info on what really happened there...

And about him being poor, just a part of the cover story.

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Oh, good lord. It's been a long time since I posted in any of these conspiracy threads, but for the record I'm just gonna state again that IF the whole Azor Ahai/Lightbringer story is supposed to be interpreted (and re-enacted) so damn literally, then George is a far worse writer than I've given him credit for and it will be incredibly disappointing. Overly specific prophecies have never been his style (also, they suck donkey cocks).

Or, of course, Rhaegar is hanging out with Septa Mordane and Marillion in Tyrosh or somewhere and they'll all have a big party at the end.

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Or, of course, Rhaegar is hanging out with Septa Mordane and Marillion in Tyrosh or somewhere and they'll all have a big party at the end.

Yes, they could also invite Ned or even Robb(everybody knows he's so fond of parties and such...)

If you think this one is far fetched(so do I, honestly), wait until I present my next one hahahahahhaha(evil laughter)

But someone once said that good things come in small packages, I'll let you several days to recover from this shock lol.

About the body. Is some chapter in which the author clearly says what happened to the body?

Honestly, I thought Robert will bury him next to his room, so he could piss on his grave every single morning or have his head put on display somewhere. Or some loyalists took his body and buried him someplace safe, and didn't disclosed the location even under torture. But there is no indication of that(from what I can remember)

Maybe someone can help me with this part...so I can sleep easy tonight...otherwise I'll have to cling to this theory, however insane/far-fetched it sounds. I like it better than the other versions of the events of that battle :)

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I love all you other posters that put this guy down. It's his theory, give him some credit here, he used his brain and put things together, he may have added up two and two and gotten five, but you don't have to put him down. "Crackpot theory, you suck man." Hate that. Grow up, be men.

Now, I was intrigued by your theory, it was good reading regardless of whether it's right, it got me thinking atleast, which is more than I can say for most threads on this site.

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Yes, they could also invite Ned or even Robb(everybody knows he's so fond of parties and such...)

If you think this one is far fetched(so do I, honestly), wait until I present my next one hahahahahhaha(evil laughter)

But someone once said that good things come in small packages, I'll let you several days to recover from this shock lol.

About the body. Is some chapter in which the author clearly says what happened to the body?

Honestly, I thought Robert will bury him next to his room, so he could piss on his grave every single morning or have his head put on display somewhere. Or some loyalists took his body and buried him someplace safe, and didn't disclosed the location even under torture. But there is no indication of that(from what I can remember)

Maybe someone can help me with this part...so I can sleep easy tonight...otherwise I'll have to cling to this theory, however insane/far-fetched it sounds. I like it better than the other versions of the events of that battle :)

Targaryens are never burried, they go on a funeral pyre.

I believe that's what the Rebels did with Rhaegar as well.

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Targaryens are never burried, they go on a funeral pyre.

I believe that's what the Rebels did with Rhaegar as well.

Yes, you have a good point. Where are the ashes?

Just joking. maybe is best to bury this now. Or at least until GRRM will prove me right(I had half a thought to also add or wrong, but I've changed my mind -_- ).

@Alytha: very nice image.

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I love all you other posters that put this guy down. It's his theory, give him some credit here, he used his brain and put things together, he may have added up two and two and gotten five, but you don't have to put him down. "Crackpot theory, you suck man." Hate that. Grow up, be men.

Now, I was intrigued by your theory, it was good reading regardless of whether it's right, it got me thinking atleast, which is more than I can say for most threads on this site.

Agreed, I don't think the theory is correct but it is a better theory than lots of others I've heard in terms of thought and attention to detail. And it took far more dedication than the posters who have put him down.

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