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[malarky1231]

They can just find some low-key child actors like what they did with the Stark children. I mean that turned out well didn't it? The real issue here is aging. By the time ASOS finishes, Bran will be 13, Rickon will be 11, Arya and Sansa will both be 16. I'm basing this based on the age of the actors.

[Knight Of The North]

A good example to note is when JK Rowling asked them to introduce Kreacher in Harry Potter Five. If the Reeds are truly important to the story, I think Martin will say "Look, guys, I know they seem like throwaway characters, but honestly, they're important later."

[The Fan]

malarky1231, on 10 June 2011 - 04:51 PM, said:

They can just find some low-key child actors like what they did with the Stark children. I mean that turned out well didn't it? The real issue here is aging. By the time ASOS finishes, Bran will be 13, Rickon will be 11, Arya and Sansa will both be 16. I'm basing this based on the age of the actors.

Are Maisie and Sophie the same chronological age?  

[Kosciuszko]

A Fan of Ice and Fire, on 10 June 2011 - 10:06 PM, said:

Are Maisie and Sophie the same chronological age?  

Almost. I think Maise is 14 and Sophie is 15.

[The Fan]

Kosciuszko, on 10 June 2011 - 11:22 PM, said:

Almost. I think Maise is 14 and Sophie is 15.

Thinking back to the scene in Ep01 where the Starks are lined up to receive the King, Sansa is nearly adult height next to Catelyn (I think?) and Arya, when she turns up in her guard helmet is quite a lot shorter, very child-like.

I wonder if there were any stage tricks used, small box for Sansa to stand on, Arya standing in a small hole, etc? To enhance the height difference between them further?

[malarky1231]

At the time of filming Sophie was 13 and Maisie was 12.

[Which Tyler]

Frumpus, on 10 June 2011 - 12:08 PM, said:

Who's to say Rickon can't go with Bran in this new version? Why do people assume they have to stick 100% with the book storylines? It is pretty clear that after the first season they will start to have major changes to account for the fact that you can't tell 1500 page stories in 10 hours of television.

Errr.... because there's still 3 book unreleased - we've no idea what's in the them, and no idea how important it is that Rickon ends up wherever he ends up.
And all for the sake of what? not hiring a couple of dirt-cheap 1st time actors?

Besides, cutting the Reeds removes the single most likely source of a R+L=J reveal (if it comes)

Edited by Which Tyler, 11 June 2011 - 02:02 AM.

[Kosciuszko]

A Fan of Ice and Fire, on 11 June 2011 - 12:00 AM, said:

Thinking back to the scene in Ep01 where the Starks are lined up to receive the King, Sansa is nearly adult height next to Catelyn (I think?) and Arya, when she turns up in her guard helmet is quite a lot shorter, very child-like.

I wonder if there were any stage tricks used, small box for Sansa to stand on, Arya standing in a small hole, etc? To enhance the height difference between them further?

Maybe, didn't really check to be honest. Personally I just figured that Sophie had hit a growth spurt over the last year or two and Maise hadn't. I still remember at that age and it wasn't really that uncommon to find large height differences.

[Jojen]

Cutting one or the other would be a mistake, IMO. Keeping them in maintains the close connection between the Starks and the Reeds. If they're looking to cut roles, there are plenty of others that could be nixed.

That said, if there could be only one, I say ditch Meera (although I do like her) and keep Jojen in the picture.

Then again, given that there's been nothing about the ToJ so far (and no sir, I don't like it), Howland Reed may become just another casting casualty. If he's never even mentioned, let alone appears in person, then his kids become completely unnecessary.

I hope hope hope to see them in S2, however.

[Misanthrope]

ingsve, on 22 May 2011 - 11:47 PM, said:

If I were to pick between Meera and Jojen I would keep Meera since the show is already male heavy as it is.

Meera is more interesting than Jojen overall, and has more development potential. If Meera has greendreams then Jojen is entirely superfluous.

[Criston]

I'm not in favour of either being cut from the series.

[NW Deserter]

I really think it'd be a mistake to cut either one of the Reeds, let alone both. I could maybe see cutting Meera, but you can't get rid of Jojen. He's the only one who even sorta has an idea of what the 3-Eyed-Crow is and can somewhat teach Bran how to use his warging.

And like many have said, Bran's little group is one of those whose overall purpose to the story has yet to be really unveiled. For all we know, the Reeds maybe end up being incredibly important right up to the end of the series.

I do think that if they end up getting cut or downplayed in season 2, it would be a hint from GRRM that maybe they're not as important as we've thought.

[draciaveil]

I don't think they'll be cut.  To me, Meera and Jojen are a crucial part of Bran's character development. Meera is supposed to be of an age with Robb, so they could find an actress in her early twenties like they did with his actor. Jojen is 12-13, and would probably be aged up two years, 14-15, so although he's supposed to be small for his age, he could still be played by someone 15-16. So finding actors for them won't necessarily be as difficult as it was for Bran, Arya, Rickon, Sansa, Joffrey and Robin.

At least, I'm hoping they won't be cut

It seems like they'll cut the Walders though, since they weren't mentioned in ep. 9.

Edited by draciaveil, 21 June 2011 - 04:51 PM.

[Wouter]

The hairy bear, on 10 June 2011 - 04:10 PM, said:

I can see them cuting both the Reeds, and I would be fine with it.

As the OP has explained very well, Osha can play the combined role of Meera and Jojen without too much problem. And regarding the storyof the Knight of the laughing tree... do you really believe that will be included in the tv adaptation? If you haven't seen the Tower of Joy, the battle of the Triedent, Ned and Jaime in the Throne room, etc, you can forget about the KotLT.

I don't quite agree. The KotLT is a story that Meera tells (and the nice thing about having both is that you can have them share a look when Bran confirms he had never been told the story before), there is no need for a dream/flashback scene (which the show has avoided so far). Surely, they are going to have to bring in the backstory in some ways and the Reed children seem like the easiest and most natural way to do so. Osha may get an expanded role in S2, but replacing the Reeds (or at least, both of them) would not be a good thing IMO. Telling a story is easily done onscreen.

[Kevin79]

They'll keep the Reeds. They're with Bran for most of Book 2 and all of Book 3, they're clearly established as semi-important characters at the least. Plus I'm very interested in them, and what they know. The creators know we're all craving flashbacks too, so I'd expect to see Meera's story make it into the cut.

[draciaveil]

Wouter, on 21 June 2011 - 05:08 PM, said:

I don't quite agree. The KotLT is a story that Meera tells (and the nice thing about having both is that you can have them share a look when Bran confirms he had never been told the story before), there is no need for a dream/flashback scene (which the show has avoided so far). Surely, they are going to have to bring in the backstory in some ways and the Reed children seem like the easiest and most natural way to do so... Telling a story is easily done onscreen.

I agree. They kept Tyrion's story about Tysha.

[Valkyrja]

I will cry if they cut either of the Reeds. I must be a minority, but I really like those two characters. Please, D&D.....don't cut them!  

[Pasha Pook]

The Reeds will surely be important to the story and Rickon will play a role, wherever he turns up eventually. If they have to cut people, they can cut the Walders but the reeds are important for Brans journey and will be a lot cheaper than an expanded Osha. It would be unbelieveable for Osha to suddenly acknowledge Brans dreams as important after her reaction to them in episode 10. Also I have the feeling that Bran will romance Meera later on...

[Bajaz]

I would be disappointed to see season two without them.
When I first time read 2nd book Bran POV was a bit dull to me,but now its interesting to reread chapters with them.
Really I would not like to see them removed from story.

[Tyrion Lannister]

Misanthrope, on 19 June 2011 - 04:46 AM, said:

Meera is more interesting than Jojen overall, and has more development potential. If Meera has greendreams then Jojen is entirely superfluous.

You wouldn't need to hire well-known actors to play the Reeds, so I don't think having both would be very difficult in terms of budget.  But I think cutting or combining the roles is a real possibility, to keep the number of characters down if nothing else.  I could definitely see D&D keeping Meera and giving her Jojen's greendreams.