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[Landless Knight]

DeltaSwan90, on 29 May 2011 - 11:56 PM, said:

People seem to be pretty split. I for one, loved it. The LF porn scene was most likely done for the sex bit, but, i could see past it. LF was talking and the actions of the girls was mirroring what he was doing to the realm. Something fake that seems... good.

I honestly don't think they included the scene for it's symbolic value.

Some employees get 'danger money', the actress playing Roz should demand 'exposure money'. If she was remunerated per inch of skin per minute, she'd be one of the highest paid cast members.

She must be a favourite of the costume department -

"How will we dress her for the next scene?"
"I've got a nice bracelet and a piece of string here."
"Great!"

[Bronn Stone]

Carldog, on 30 May 2011 - 08:23 PM, said:

Lany:
Your husband must like pro wrestling.
Look, I never said it's not a good show, (Its my fav on tv) but you prove my point when I say we fan boys/girls can't truly make subjective post unless we strip all emotion.  That dosent happen here much; look at the rankings of each ep.  Not many votes below seven.
It reminds me of when Star Wars ep 1 came out. People where going nuts as they made their way out of theaters saying how great it was.  A few months later most were in tears.  
Remember fan is short for fanatic.

You should have quit when you were merely way behind.  Now you are approaching 'expressing irredeemably stupid opinions'  

This thread has a ten point scale.  That scale isn't really defined, so each of us is applying our own definitions, all of which are equally valid.  I have chosen to define a 'ten' as 'in the top ten percent of all television shows ever produced'.  I don't see any logical flaw in giving this episode that rating.  So much of it was absolutely brilliant.  I can't see how anyone using my definition could rate it below seven.  But I don't whine at the 2's, because I know they are using different definitions.

As best I can tell, your scale is "on a scale of one to ten, how much does this meet my fanwank expectations".  It isn't perfect.  In some cases it isn't what I would have done.  But they have captured the essence of the story, with the possible exception of the direwolves.  They didn't get Renly right.  But out of dozens of characters, he's the only one I think they got indefensibly wrong.  That is a well over 90% score in my book.  I am happy.

[Holymoly]

Much backstory and character explanation going on in this episode. Theon and Tywin well done. Littlefinger less so. I don't have a problem with the gratuitous teen erotica however I do have a problem with Littlefinger being as frank and honest with a couple of cheap whores. Totally out of character, and not particularly well acted either. Props this week to Eddard, Tywin and Sam. They kept the episode going and provided the structure for the whole thing to hang together.

Hopefully the entire canon will be serialised in time, so long as GRRM actually finishes it. Only then will much of this episode fall in to place for many.

[Asharak]

I gave the episode an 8.

It would have been a 10 if the sex scene hadn’t been there. I feel embarrassed on the producers behalf, it just felt childish and amateurish. It downgrades the material when they show a graphic 5 minute soft-core sex scene, in a show that is usually pretty grown up.

It doesn’t make the show feel more adult,
It makes it feel like it was made for 13 year olds.

[Popgun]

Drogo's speech was like WWE wrestling.... *facepalm* like WTF? How a WWE comparison came up I'll never know. You must be real smart Carldog to think Game of Thrones is like pro wrestling. I guess everyone else is too "emotional" and couldn't connect the dots.... thanks for pointing that one out champ.

[valacirca]

Actually it was WWE'ish in some parts. That's not to say it was bad. I loved that part.

[Popgun]

valacirca, on 31 May 2011 - 03:18 AM, said:

Actually it was WWE'ish in some parts. That's not to say it was bad. I loved that part.

I'm not a pro wrestling fan to be honest, but I'm pretty sure it's never featured a guy talking in dothraki describing how he is going to cross the narrow sea with 40,000 men and horses to conquer the lands.

[Adam Bodestyne]

Carldog, on 30 May 2011 - 08:23 PM, said:

.. but you prove my point when I say we fan boys/girls can't truly make subjective post unless we strip all emotion.

I cannot help but think you are perhaps confusing the words 'subjective' (based upon subjective feelings or intuition, not upon observation or reasoning) and 'objective' (not influenced by emotion).

'Objective' is probably the word you meant..?

[valacirca]

Popgun, on 31 May 2011 - 04:57 AM, said:

I'm not a pro wrestling fan to be honest, but I'm pretty sure it's never featured a guy talking in dothraki describing how he is going to cross the narrow sea with 40,000 men and horses to conquer the lands.

Considering the personas that have been introduced into pro wrestling through the years, that description could very easily be made into a pro-wrestling character.

[SerArthurHeath]

Carldog, on 30 May 2011 - 10:59 AM, said:

What I'm saying is remove the emotional attachment and judge it that way.  It's very hard to do; most posters can't.  
It can't truely be subjective if emotions are fueling your post, there needs to be separation, which the forum lacks when dealing with the show.
Tywin: how was it bad? How was it good, I ask?
Drogo: "I want you! Westeros, next Saterday night in the Madisen Square Garden!...."
Robert: that was not done well... FACT
Porn: "hey Joey, my mom and dad are gone. Look whats on TV," says the 15 year old to his friend.

Um, there's no way you can dissociate yourself from a show emotionally part way through it, unless you didn't make those attachments initially. And your not meant to emotionally dissociate yourself from the show- that would remove the value of trying to create emotional attachment and empathy with characters in the first place, and you may as well just show plot and no character development.

Edited by SerArthurHeath, 31 May 2011 - 05:48 AM.

[Ser Lany Cassandra]

Carldog, on 30 May 2011 - 08:23 PM, said:

Lany:
Your husband must like pro wrestling.
Look, I never said it's not a good show, (Its my fav on tv) but you prove my point when I say we fan boys/girls can't truly make subjective post unless we strip all emotion.  That dosent happen here much; look at the rankings of each ep.  Not many votes below seven.
It reminds me of when Star Wars ep 1 came out. People where going nuts as they made their way out of theaters saying how great it was.  A few months later most were in tears.  
Remember fan is short for fanatic.

He hates pro wrestlings and has never watched it.  Your point was we are too much emotionally envolved----my husband had no emotional attachment, loves it, and so you insult him with the wrestling comment.

Your opinion does not equal fact.

[ViennaGirl]

I give it an 8 - wish the whole NW vow was included but loved the creepy heart tree.  The sex scene was disproportionately long, but if it brings viewers and keeps the show going, ok.  I'm not a huge Daenerys fan in the books, but I'm starting to like her in the show, which is good, because I know she's the it girl.  My heart is breaking for Ned...I wanted him to take Renly up on his offer and change the storyline (not really.  but.)  Tywin skinning his own deer - really?  In a tent?  Yuck.

Would love more more more Jon, more Arya, more more more!  Did I mention that I would love more Jon?

[Abaddon]

Landless Knight, on 31 May 2011 - 01:43 AM, said:

She must be a favourite of the costume department -

"How will we dress her for the next scene?"
"I've got a nice bracelet and a piece of string here."
"Great!"

Now that was funny.  

[Greywolf2375]

Starkess, on 29 May 2011 - 11:15 PM, said:

Gave it an 8. Would have been a 9 if not for the awful LF-porn scene.

What she said as well as the changes to Tywin being detractors.

[Nnorb]

Popgun, on 31 May 2011 - 04:57 AM, said:

I'm not a pro wrestling fan to be honest, but I'm pretty sure it's never featured a guy talking in dothraki describing how he is going to cross the narrow sea with 40,000 men and horses to conquer the lands.

Clearly you aren't familiar with some of John Cena's more inventive metaphors.

Rating the individual episodes seems somewhat odd to me, as much of their impact depends on what comes before and after. I know it's not the same, but do we rate individual chapters of a book?

9/10, for what it's worth. The 2nd best television series I've ever watched. Would probably be number one if I hadn't read the books.

[The Night's Watch]

Thought the episode was good except for Tywin. Not how i imagined him at all.

The highlight was Drogo's speech.

[Carldog]

Popgun,

To quote Gus from Lonesome Dove, "your in over your head, Pea."
To quote Walter from Big Lebowski "your out of your element, Donny!"

[Carldog]

Lany,

We, the readers, not your husband, the non reader, must separate emotions.
How eles can I put it?

[Ser Lany Cassandra]

Carldog, on 31 May 2011 - 11:19 AM, said:

Lany,

We, the readers, not your husband, the non reader, must separate emotions.
How eles can I put it?

I know that is what you meant.  I am very emotional about it, so I shared my husbands feelings on it.  He likes it a great deal, and you still discounted his opinion and insulted him.  You think yours is the only viable opinion. There are no misunderstandings here.

[Carldog]

Lany,

Yes there are misunderstandings.  I never insulted him or discredited him.  I made a joke about my own comment; the Drogo secne had a WWE feel to it, he said he liked it, I said he must like WWE.  It's a joke.

As for my opinions; they are not the only viable ones on the board, but they are made without an emotional attachment.
You admit emotion in your last post which creates bias messaging.  It goes back to my original statement of inflated ep rankings.

who cares about what I have to say? Im one dude.