So a tor commenter suggested that the glass or stone within the Loeclos Box was both; a substance familiar to most folks here: obsidian. Specifically the mountain glass Selitos used to tear out his eye and curse Lanre.
What follows is a long lazy bit of self plagiarism that lacks some of the thoroughness I've tried to deploy in the past.
That /(obsidian)/ is trapped withn the box, possibly by multiple magics. The wood has the same scent as the Rhinna tree, in which the Cthaeh is imprisoned. And we have no idea why the Cthaeh can't leave the tree. So the Loeclos binds the Cthaeh. Which would make the Cthaeh Selitos, a pet theory that won't stop yapping at me.
The Cthaeh declined to answer Kvothe about the Amyr. Bear with me a moment. Selitos was a pretty important figure in the Creation War, and he's the subject of Skarpi's story: "a man who lost his eye and gained a better sight."
Just by looking at a thing Selitos could see its hidden name and understand it. In those days there were many who could do such things, but Selitos was the most powerful namer of anyone alive in that age.
Such was the power of his sight that he could read the hearts of men like heavy-lettered books.
He begins with most of what Tehlu & Pals end up with in the following story. No wonder Aleph's gift wasn't much of a temptation. Later on in this first one, he notes that Iax, Aleph and Lyra could match his skill in names. They could not surpass it. Perhaps they couldn't see into the heart so well. The Cthaeh, on the other hand, is something else. Yes, it can read Kvothe's heart as though he we asking questions aloud. But according to Bast, it can also infer the furture perfectly like Augustine's God. Better sight indeed.
Iax spoke to the Cthaeh before he stole the moon. Since Hespe's story is all we have to go on, and Bast's assertion providing the link between that and Felurian's portion, we'll have to take what we can from it. Jax finds the odd old hermit high in the mountains, a location that evokes (Myr) Tariniel. The odd old hermit listens to his heart
, answers some questions, and offers some advice. Jax misinsterprets what's said and goes about binding the moon.
But Lanre spoke to the Cthaeh before orchestrating the betrayal
of Myr Tariniel. I'd like to revisit the word choice. However, the simplest interpretation is that yes, he did. Selitos and Lanre walked and talked all day, then Lanre turned on him. Slightly more complicated but ever so much more satisfying is that seven were poisoned against the empire and six of them betrayed the cities that trusted them. These seven cities were defended by stregth of arm, and thus by Lanre, to paraphrase Skarpi. One city was not betrayed. And Selitos was surprised. In fact, in Denna's version, "Selitos was a tyrant, an insane monster who tore out his own eye in fury at Lanre’s clever trickery." They agree on a point, Selitos was tricked. He did not see this coming.
You have beaten me once through guile, but never again. Now I see truer than before and my power is upon me.
I'm pretty convinced, but it has some disturbing repercussions. Selitos and Aleph are definitely shapers. I think someone else noted that these identified powerful namers from the war are shown doing stuff that looks suspiciously like shaping: changing Haliax, changing Tehlu, rez'ing Lanre, stealing the moon.
I keep coming back to other weird points, too. The beast with scales of black iron wasn't Faen, unless it was in continual pain and the Fae around it hated life constantly. Lanre fought it and slew it at the cost of his own life. and it really seems like a draccus, and those are mortal creatures that still exist. Tehlu & Pals "leave this world behind, to better serve it" and "disappear forever from mortal sight." They're clearly active in the Mortal, so what world did they leave behind? Coming back to Bast, why does he refer to the betrayal
of Myr Tariniel? He's Faen. If it was in the Mortal, he benefitted. And so, according to Felurian, the Mortal brought war to Faen when Faen stole the moon. Was the war waged there? Were all eight cities Faen? Shehyn's story notes that not only did the sky change, the land cracked as well. Does that explain how Murella could be in Faen following the theft of the moon?
Edited by thistlepong, 23 February 2012 - 09:53 PM.