Rugin, on 22 June 2011 - 10:40 AM, said:
Hello all. Love the board and discussion. Here's some thoughts I had and
wanted to share.
1. Kvothe as a shaper?
Assumption: Shaping is merely understanding the name of something and altering the name, thus giving it a new one.
WMF, Hardback, Page 108
Elodin looked back and forth between the two of us, “Auri?”
I waited for him to finish his question, but that seemed to be all of it.
Auri understood before I did. “It’s my name,” she said, grinning proudly.
“Is it now?” Elodin said curiously.
Auri nodded. “Kvothe gave it to me.” She beamed in my direction. “Isn’t it marvelous?”
Elodin nodded. “It is a lovely name,” he said politely. ”And its suits you.”
“It does,” she agreed. “It is like having a flower in my heart.”
She gave Elodin a serious look. “If your name is getting too heavy, you should
have Kvothe give you a new one.”
Elodin nodded again and took a bite of his cinnas. As he chewed, he turned to look at me.
By the light of the moon, I saw his eyes. They were cool, thoughtful, and perfectly, utterly sane.
Remember, Elodin already knew that Kvothe had called the name of the wind. The information
that he could see truly about someone and name them accurately, plus Auri’s implication that
he could give Elodin a new name is what changed his mind about inviting Kvothe to attend his class.
After Kvothe returns to the University he approaches Elodin.
WMF, Hardback, Page 977-978
“Master Elodin,” I asked slowly, “What would you think of someone who kept changing their own name?”
“What?” He sat up suddenly, his eyes wild and panicked. “What have you done?”
His reaction startled me, and I held up my hands defensively. “Nothing!” I insisted.
“It’s not me. It’s a girl I know.”
Elodin’s face grew ashen. “Fela?” he said. “Oh no. No. She wouldn’t do something like that.
She’s too smart for that.” It sounded as if he were desperately trying to convince himself.
“I’m not talking about Fela,” I said. “I’m talking about a young girl I know. Every time I
turn around she’s picked another name for herself.”
“Oh,” Elodin said, relaxing. He leaned back against the tree, laughing softly. “Calling names,”
he said with a tangible relief. “God’s bones, boy, I thought . . .” He broke off, shaking his head.
“You thought what?” I asked.
“Nothing,” he said dismissively. “Now. What’s this about a girl?”
This also implies that Kvothe could do something really stupid and cause his own namne to be changed,
which may be causing his current problems.
2. Meaning of rings on either hand
Perhaps the wearing of rings pertains to knowing the name of something, and being able to shape it.
One hand knowing, one hand shaping.
3. Thoughts on the poem
One of them a ring unworn - The ring unworn might be that Kvothe’s parents were never married
One a word that is forsworn - The word forsworn could be Kvothe going against his pledge to Denna
in regards to finding out information about her patron.
One a thing tight-held in keeping - The thing tight-held in keeping could be the contents of
the lockless box.
4. King Killer could be related to the fact that he rescued a princess from the barrow kings,
and killed one in the process. That would be in line with the exageration around Kvothe's deeds.
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As for throwing the fight with the two guardsmen, I'm of the opinion that he truly lost. It's the
manic laughter about forgetting who he really is that convinces me.
Although, I've felt he may be downplaying what we is capable of and that either Bast or the Chronicler
are not whom they seem.
This is really solid until #3. The rings on the other hand work more like political rings from Vintas than anything. #4 is possible, but then why all the political drama? I agree with the last as well.
two_by_two, on 26 June 2011 - 10:33 PM, said:
Still a very good point.
On the subject of tinkers, I am increasingly convinced that they are more than they appear to be. Kvothe runs into two tinkers, one in NOTW, one in WMF. The tinkers offer Kvothe various and sundry items, some of which he accepts, some of which he does not. The first time, he bargains for other items as well. Every item the tinker offers him, he uses, usually in an unforeseeable yet crucial way. Every item he refuses, he ends up regretting not having.
The first tinker offers him the loden-stone, a blanket, a rope, and some fruit wine for his horse and tack. Kvothe convinces him to trade for the loden-stone, a blanket, a new shirt, and some brandy. Later (Chapter 74: Waystone), with Denna, Kvothe wishes he had taken the fruit wine. It was even strawberry wine - Denna's favorite. In Chapter 77: Bluffs, Kvothe has to use his travelsack as a makeshift rope, and it rips. Additionally, in Chapter 78: Poison, when Kvothe and Denna are trying to poison the draccus, they wish they had rope to lure the draccus off a cliff; all they can find is twine, which will not suffice. In Chapter 77: Bluffs, Kvothe rips his new shirt when he rushes to get charcoal for Denna. And without the loden-stone, he could never have killed the draccus.
I don't have my copy of WMF with me, so I'm working from memory, but I believe the second tinker trades Kvothe a used cloak, a knife, and paper for and delivery of a letter in exchange for his fancy cloak and an iron penny, a copper penny, and a silver penny. This one isn't as telling, as Kvothe doesn't refuse anything and the items he does take are fairly standard for a traveler. However, the tinker does push the paper on Kvothe until he remembers he needs to write a letter, for what that's worth.
Love this. What if tinkers are Fae?
I was supposed to copy a bit about Puppet too, but it misfired. Basically, puppet gives the same imagery as the skin-wearer things (don't remember their proper name) that prompt the holly-hunt. As for the puppets - yes, they would make excellent momments as indicated by Kvothe's fear.
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