Cold Hands-Hot Pie, on 19 June 2011 - 10:58 AM, said:
My 2 cents (having finally got thru all 31 pages of this and the previous thread)
1. agree with almost all that the final scene at the Sept of Baelor is pretty much as good as I've seen tv (or movies for that matter) get. It was a faithful adaptation while also ADDING something that fit well and made sense. It certainly made you care for the actors involved: whether that was pity for the Starks or intense hatred for Joffrey-- people have a reaction to what happened.
2. MILD disappointment about the battles as others have said, hoping there might be some limited flashbacks to the Whispering Woods or at a minimum some clever exposition to explain it-- could be done by either a scene in the Lannister camp about the failing of the scouts (and Gregor's line about cutting out their eyes for the next scouts) OR when they relieve Riverrun they can explain to the thankful occupants there how they did it....
3. One area where I guess the episode DIDN'T measure up to me was the scene between Jon and Aemon. I think Aemon did fine, but I just can't warm to this Jon. In the books I like him and look forward to his chapters, but in the show he just comes across as so whiny, petulant and angsty. There's also just something about his 'look'-- I know lots of women on here find him dreamy, but I can't stand it. The funny thing is that I know a lot of book readers have had the 'whiny Jon' complaints, so its very likely that the actor is hitting the notes just how they want him too, but since it's not how I pictured it....
4. Can't believe season 1 is over tonight. Strong work HBO.
As for Jon, it's a lot different when you see it onscreen, but really I think Jon is as whiny and petulant in the books. And despite my hatred for whiny petulant heroes, I like this Jon. I see the force of command in him that will come in later. I especially like him and Sam, I actually get more of a friendship between them onscreen than I did in the books. In the books it seemed like a popular kid taking pity on a doofus. Maybe that's more a factor of the actor playing Sam than Jon, but it works very well IMO. He has a tough learning curve ahead of him and the petulance of youth (what is he, 16-17?) coming up so just ascribe it to character development.
I can't believe it's over either, I really hope they go 12 eps next year, with a 90 minute ep 1 and 12!
I honestly have no idea what the actor that plays Joffrey is going to do if this show gets as popular as Entourage or other HBO shows. He's absolutely loathed by everyone watching. I wouldn't be surprised if he had security with him after last week. Many actors wither and die under typecasting. For example, TOm Wopat from Dukes of Hazzard hates the fact that he's Luke (or Bo, can't remember) and bitches about it all the time, William Atherton (of the Asshole Trilogy: Die Hard reporter, Real Genius Professor, Ghostbusters city official) hasn't done anything but arrogant assholes, Draco Malfoy been seen anywhere but Potter movies? Etc... After Sansa beatings next season, who knows if he'll get attacked on the streets for being the most despised figure on current TV.
I don't like the Aemon actor at all. Quite frankly, all the Maesters really piss me off and are weak points in every scene IMO. But for some reason his high pitched warble worked in the discovery scene. I give great props to people I dislike doing great work that makes me forget that I dislike them (examples: Glenn Close in the Shield and Bean here in GoT). Doesn't mean I don't think they're good, just that I don't like them. Hopefully award seasons reward them for overcoming at least this man's prejudices.
Anyways, I'm very sad it's over tonight though I expect to have some massive chills as, for example, Dany walks out with dragons around her neck*. All in all, as long as Tim Van Patten doesn't direct tonight's episode, I think this is at least as good as any adaptation to the screen has been. Hopefully they don't go the way of Deadwood (who decided he language needed to be it's own character and overdid it while de-emphasizing real characters and then leaving us in limbo). I'd like to see them continue and add credence to the fantasy genre.
*- For some ungodly reason, the LA Times ran a story this week about what D&D are going to do next season and very inconsiderately let slip, or actually blatantly proclaimed, that CGI dragons were in the final episode. Weak spoiler for all involved. Can't think that D&D were happy about that, even though it was pretty obvious from early on with all the lingering shots of the eggs that they'll come into play later. At least the show hasn't had those shots for a few eps to throw off the scent. That's really the only scene I'm looking forward to specifically tonight, and one that IMO they need to absolutely nail. In fact, IIRC the Westeros stuff is all tying up loose ends for an "act" ending and the most important stuff is Dany oriented. At first I thought they were accelerating here storyline too quickly, but it worked out well.