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[Lord Damian]

I am sort of purplexed by people who feel it will be great to have Dany supreme ruler over all of Westeros.  I am not so sure. She is sort of whorped.  Westeros has become her obcession now that viserys is dead.  She is hanging out with raping, pillaging monsters. Perhaps Drogon is the dreaded Rhillor who the good and just must fight.  What if she cannot control her dragons.  I am just not convinced it would be a good thing.

[Law Lord]

Well i see her as the only 1 with a claim to the throne who can unite Westeros. She has 3 dragons. If the lords and people don't bow to her will, she will bend them to her will with those dragons of hers like Aegon the Conqueror. The rebellion against the Targaryens only occurred when they had no dragons. They will be rightfully returned if Dany is goes about it the right way. I dislike the Lannisters, the Baratheons are history. Dany is the true claimant to the throne.

[Howling North]

Considering just how fooked Westeros is and the amount of infighting taking place Dany is a source of hope for peace and unification just as her ancestor Aegon was with his dragons. Its her home, the only one she ever knows even if she's never lived there, and its her birthright. And she moves on from the Dothraki army of Drogo the most part, exerting some control on her freemen army. Also, if you think pillaging and raping are just in Essos thing then you really haven't been reading the books, or just skipped the whole War of the Five Kings and all the other previous conflicts in Westeros. We'll find out whether she can or cannot by DwtD then won't we? Large part of why she hasn't moved on already and honing her skills for governance in Meeren.

[dunbarbw]

The only reason I care about Dany's ADWD chapters is cause I want to know about A. Dragons B. Quentyn Martell and C. Victarion Greyjoy. Oh and guys like Barristan and (hopefully) Jorah and the rest of her court. I like the people around Dany much better than Dany herself.

And no. I don't want anyone to bend the knee to Dany.

[GreyJackal]

Given that she is the one that seems most likely to succeed at the moment....errr....I guess ?

[Bing]

It would make sense, although I would find it a tad boring if Dany simply fulfilled the preordained role set out for her, almost from the start of the novel by riding in with dragons, saving the day and restoring the Targaryen throne.

[Memory Lane]

I would like to see her take the Throne, and rule as Queen of a devastated Westeros after the Others are defeated (again).

However, I want the whole situation to seem bittersweet. She may be Queen, but her line is finished. Barring Jon being both a bastard Targ and recognized as such, House Targaryen is over. I want the implication to be there that once a generation or two passes and she dies, the whole feuding over who controls Westeros in the absence of the Royal House that created the regime will be renewed, with the strong possibility of the Seven Kingdoms fragmenting into smaller kingdoms.

[Bronn is God]

I would go book burning if the series ended with Dany as queen.

That ending would totally ruin everything I liked in the series (like how the Harry Potter ending ruined the entire series).

[Shienberg]

I think Dany will end up ruling. it will be bittersweet. And at least wo of her Dragons will die in the process.

I think restoration of the Targaeryn line would be a good thing. The reason Aerys went mad was from generations of in-breeding. But as Jorah said Dany is much more Rhaegars sibling than Aerys' son. As long as she has no siblings to bang the Targ line should be cool to rule. Also Dany coming from a non royal upbringing and having to earn her throne should make her more fair and balanced.

[Misanthrope]

Wise Bass, on 21 June 2011 - 01:34 AM, said:

the strong possibility of the Seven Kingdoms fragmenting into smaller kingdoms.

I actually think seven autonomous kingdoms would be better for everyone then trying to run all seven out of KL. I'll take Dany over a Lannister or Tyrell any day if it comes to that though.

Edited by Misanthrope, 21 June 2011 - 03:07 AM.

[Bobbity]

No. Contrary to whatever Dany may believe, she does not have any special 'right' to rule, especially after her father's reign of madness. I love her character, but she always considers Westeros as a prize to be won, with no regard for the actual people of the land. It's like a shiny toy that she wants - she doesn't truly care about it in and of itself; only in that she feels that she has a right to it.

[Zezibesh]

I hope she does not end up ruling in the end. She has never been to Westeros, and only imagines it to be as luxurious and awesome as Quarth etc, when in reality it's quite dreary. She has dragons but she does not know how to control them. She makes her decisions by following her impulses, not logic. We don't know if she could father an heir but I doubt it, and this means that there will be ANOTHER war for succession after her death.

A Targaryen ruler as an idea is good, since they're outsiders to the great houses and as such have no allegiances or alliances to uphold, making them the most neutral choice for kingship overall. But I don't think Dany is the one they need (or Jon for that matter).

Bronn should end up as king, probably.

But Dany ending up Queen with (potentially) Jon by her side would be such a fairytale ending I'd be pretty pissed

[beautifulsouth0]

I'm thinking the kingdom will find out about Dany and be afraid of her: she's been taking over "nations", upturning their cultures, and is bringing all of these foreigners with her, not to mention dragons who are eating people.  But once Melisandre accidentally melts down the wall trying to make a dragon, and the Others sweep over the continent, Dany's gonna fly in and fight the army of Others off of the backs of the dragons, and remove the threat of them forever. (Or Bran wargs into a dragon, and uses them to fight off the Others)  Either way, she will be Westeros' savior, and they'll worship her afterwards.  I like the thought that, as the last Targaryan, after her, The Seven Kingdoms would return to self-rule.  With no Wall, there's no Night's Watch- Jon Snow can be Lord of Winterfell (he can't be Targ- he's not blonde), Tyrion can be Lord of Casterly Rock (after serving on Dany's Queen's council) and Dorne can be, well, Dorne.

[Ellroy]

Yes I hope so. Targaryen are the only real hope of Westeros.

Westeros needs a ruling house that's not involved with the traditional feudal rivarly, someone who is over the parts and that can force rule of the law from a position of authority. Westeros nobility have shown quite clearly that it's not able to express a king and to rule the continent without external aid.

About rapers and pillagers: are you sure that you have finished the first book? The dotraki are not with Dany anymore and the unsullied are not rapers or pillagers by definition. The only rapers and pillagers that have fight in westeros were lead by Tywin Lannister and Roose Bolton...

Edited by Ellroy, 21 June 2011 - 03:25 AM.

[Silverin]

I hope not.
My favourite ending would be if  the North would become independent.
As others said Dany dont know anything about Westeros at all. She is barren, the last legitimate Targ, which means even if she ends up on the throne, after her death there would be a civil war as others said., So far she only showed any ability in conquering cities, in the gowernment department she was more than chatastrophic. So I dont even see how could she actually gowern a whole continent when she has so much problem with a single city.
As others said the reason the Targs were kings was because of the dragons. And the reason why Aerys was overpowered was because the dragons were dead. Great now what if after one or two generations the dragons are dead again. There is no garantee that they will live this time. And when they die we are back to what already happened.
My problem with a Targaryen rule is that that is history-repeating. Westeros was already there once, and there was a reason why it failed. It would be like after years of civil war the people of Westeros deiceded that being unchanged is the best. Rejoice!

Edited by Silverin, 21 June 2011 - 05:36 AM.

[Ferrous]

Ellroy, on 21 June 2011 - 03:24 AM, said:

Yes I hope so. Targaryen are the only real hope of Westeros.

Westeros needs a ruling house that's not involved with the traditional feudal rivarly, someone who is over the parts and that can force rule of the law from a position of authority. Westeros nobility have shown quite clearly that it's not able to express a king and to rule the continent without external aid.

About rapers and pillagers: are you sure that you have finished the first book? The dotraki are not with Dany anymore and the unsullied are not rapers or pillagers by definition. The only rapers and pillagers that have fight in westeros were lead by Tywin Lannister and Roose Bolton...

They also need a ruling house that will actually survive for more than one generation. Dany is barren and has no children. Roman and Medieval history suggests that this means another major war will start as soon as Dany dies.

Stannis is the only military leader with an army that didn't rape and then again, only because he cut off rapists balls.

[Ellroy]

Ferrous, on 21 June 2011 - 03:52 AM, said:

They also need a ruling house that will actually survive for more than one generation. Dany is barren and has no children. Roman and Medieval history suggests that this means another major war will start as soon as Dany dies.

Stannis is the only military leader with an army that didn't rape and then again, only because he cut off rapists balls.

Are you so sure that Dany is barren? We do not know. Mirri said so but what if she's wrong or meant another thing? Moreover, it's pretty likely that there will be more targs out there, at least 1: R+L, maybe Aegon, maybe even some blackfires. Dany have just to raise her dragons and rule some years.

Dany has never raped or pillaged anyone. When Mereen was sacked she cut the penis of rapers too. Stannis is a just man, a good lord and a good military leader... but he will never be a good king. He would rule like a tyrant and people/nobles would revolt against him after a few years.

Dany is the only hope of Westeros.

Edited by Ellroy, 21 June 2011 - 05:32 AM.

[aktarian]

Ferrous, on 21 June 2011 - 03:52 AM, said:

Stannis is the only military leader with an army that didn't rape and then again, only because he cut off rapists balls.

Stannis is religiously intolerant. Under Targs and Baratheons Old Gods and The Seven existed side by side and oaths were taken in both their names, even if The Seven were state religion. Stannis cuts down Weirwood and burns septres and wants people to follow his new religion. I somehow doubt that will go down well with people.

[Faranya]

No. Not even remotely.

Frankly, I'd be happy if she died without ever seeing Westeros. She has had everything she has now handed to her, I would be pissed if she was just handed all of Westeros too in the end.

[Ellroy]

Faranya, on 21 June 2011 - 06:14 AM, said:

She has had everything she has now handed to her, I would be pissed if she was just handed all of Westeros too in the end.

We must have read another book. Everything Dany has, she has gained it.