starki, on 01 July 2011 - 04:20 AM, said:
Not Shae. Another whore, the one when Tyrion threatens to hurt Joffrey (or is it Tommen?) the same way she got hurt.
She kidnapped the wrong woman. Completely the wrong woman. While having an army of spies on her side, she still manages to kidnap the wrong woman.
Nearly killing the third smartest man in Seven Kingdoms (after LF and Varys) is pretty good in my book.
Again, this is something anyone could do, and regardless it was a dumb decision. He was the only high ranking battle officer on the field. He dies, there's a good chance that the rest of her soldiers will flee. And also, it's not an incident of cleverness. Manipulating someone into doing what you want when they think they're doing what they want is clever, manipulating circumstances to increase your odds of gaining a tangible benefit, that's clever, completely misunderstanding a situation then attempting to murder someone who was doing nothing except ensuring the safety of you and your children is dumb.
And Tyrion acknowledges her smarts more than once in the books.
No he doesn't, he acknowledges her "low cunning", but thinks that she is ultimately a lot less smart than she thinks she is, that she is too emotional and not very subtle at all. Cersei isn't clever, she's just willing to cross a lot more lines than other people so occasionally she surprises the protagonists, that's it. She is incapable of reading other peoples desires, she has no understanding of empathy or of delaying her own pointless gratification, she is a maroon, to quote a certain blog and always has been in every single on of the books. Her only trick is to sleep with someone, promise to sleep with someone, or try and have someone killed. Murder is not that difficult.
Take the incident with Arya's Direwolf, and having Sansa's murdered. That was a dumb decision because it permanently soured Eddard Stark against her. Stark was going to be her husbands hand, it behooved her to be nice to him. Take Tyrion's arrest. She had an opportunity to permanently embarrass the Starks in front of every noble in KL, and turn their word into something worth less than nothing, which would've been useful had Bran remembered a certain something and started talking BS, but no, she's all: "I Want Stark Whipped!"
IMO not really. You make it sound like "anyone" could have killed Robert and gotten away with it and I don't see why we have any reason to believe that this is true. Anyway it's not like she's the only person who ever tried to kill Robert. And again, the point here is that in AFfC she's at the point where she can't even make sure that her assassinations are properly carried out. In the earlier books we see that she's a bit more competent. This isn't an example of her being a genius this is an example of her not being totally incompetent and stupid.
Boar-hunting is a dangerous sport, it doesn't take extreme cleverness to figure that out. If I'm trying to kill someone, and I say, okay, they'll be driving a sports car this afternoon, let's get them plastered and have them drive themselves home, and then they have a car crash, that doesn't make me clever, that just means that I have some basic understanding of cause and effect. And let's not pretend like Cersei didn't get horrifically lucky in that incident. If Robert doesn't miss his thrust, he lives, if Robert let's someone else kill the boar, he lives. Getting Robert drunk and hoping that he dies is not a good plan.
And who else tried to kill Robert?
Edited by Chirios, 01 July 2011 - 05:25 AM.