[Pre-ADwD Spoilers] Davos 1 - Spoilers for ADWD
Posted 24 March 2006 - 02:37 AM
I don't think the new POV will provide any insight into Jon's history at all.
Someone postulated somewhere that it could be a Howland Reed POV, and deal entirely with the Ironmen and the Boltons, and not mention Jon at all.... :lol:
Posted 06 April 2006 - 04:18 PM
Posted 17 June 2006 - 11:08 PM
Could somebody remind me who Quentyn is?
Posted 18 June 2006 - 02:32 AM
PRINCE QUENTYN MARTELL, a new-made knight, long fostered by Lord Yronwood of Yronwood.
Posted 04 July 2006 - 07:43 PM
Posted 12 July 2006 - 04:08 PM
As far as I can see it, the main reason for Jon to be anyone else's child is that people don't think Ned would sire a bastard -- he's too "honorable." But I still hold to the idea that Ned had a moment of indiscretion, and then his honor reasserted itself stronger than ever -- just as Jon did with Ygritte.
I'll admit that there have been many hints to the contrary. But until Lord Reed or someone else shows up and definitively says, "Jon, your parents were actually ______" I'll remain true to my N+_=J beliefs.
Posted 12 July 2006 - 06:20 PM
Back to topic:
I don't think Davos will die. Manderly would never choose the Lannister side. If he had his son, he would probably openly choose Stannis' side. In fact, he could be the one to eliminate the Dreadfort as a risk. Also, some people seem to have made mistakes:
a lot of people are talking about how Davos could have had his hands cut off, but wasn't it said that his 'head and hands" were mounted on the walls of Lord Manderly's castle?
Also, somebody said that Rickon was in White Harbor. I might be wrong, as I usually flip through Bran chapters, but isn't Rickon with Bran?
Posted 12 July 2006 - 07:21 PM
Rickon separated from Bran in ACOK.
Posted 03 October 2006 - 03:16 PM
Like someone else mentioned, this seems to reek of hearsay and rumor. How would Ned, for example, find out that a fisherman's daughter he slept with was pregnant with his child? Is it ever mentioned that he stopped in the Vale on his way back north? Why would he take the child from the family, to be raised by a wetnurse? Why would the girl name her child Jon Snow, when bastards from the Vale area are named "Stone"?
Ned doesn't say anything about this, so how would people find out about it? Did Ned suddenly show up in town, then leave with a child? Unless we get evidence of the above, I think it's more likely that the girl either was lying about the father (since saying that you carry a Great Lord's bastard would probably go better for you than saying that you got pregnant off the local man-at-arms), or thought she had his child.
I'll admit, though, it would be freaking hilarious if the fisherman's daughter really IS Jon Snow's mother. "Ha, all you fans thought Jon was the half-Targaryen with the Blood of Ice and Fire, or a tragedy-belaiden love child of Ned and his great tourney flame. Well, you were WRONG! He's really just the product of a cold, wet gropefest aboard a small, little boat!" :P
Edited by Guardsman Bass, 03 October 2006 - 03:18 PM.
Posted 06 October 2006 - 07:43 AM
Posted 09 October 2006 - 05:54 PM
If Jon really were the the son of a fisherman's daughter, it would have been acknowledged and all the speculation would've stopped.
Posted 06 November 2006 - 01:35 PM
Posted 06 November 2006 - 03:35 PM
And Surname, IMHO they probably they take by the place they live. Therefore Jon Snow was raised in the North. :)
Edited by Barba, 06 November 2006 - 03:35 PM.
Posted 03 March 2007 - 03:36 PM
As for the Ned and this fisherman's daughter it's just another Red Herring. Martin is making the reader really question who Jon's realy mother (and maybe father is). I'm not 100% sold on the R+L=J theory, but I am inclined to believe it at the moment. Regardless of who Jon's parents end up being his parentage will most certainly have enormous impacts on the storyline when it is finally reveiled. Whether Rhaegar is his biological father and secretly married Lyanna (thus making Jon heir to the Iron Throne) or Ned is his biological father, the revelation will have a huge impact on the storyline.
Edited by Ser Romin, 03 March 2007 - 03:37 PM.
Posted 04 March 2007 - 08:49 AM
Posted 06 March 2007 - 02:06 PM
Just being a devil's advocate.
Posted 06 March 2007 - 02:28 PM
Posted 06 March 2007 - 03:37 PM
In fact, I am 99% sure that's what he did. Manderly wants his heir back, but he doesn't want to unnecessarily tick off Stannis, either, and on top of it all I don't imagine he regards the Lannisters with any great affection. So he secretly arranges an "escape" for Davos, beheads (and behands) some wretch, and makes a phony report to Cersei. The worst case scenario is that Cersei finds out and complains from all the way in King's Landing, and Wyman, with his heir safely at home, shrugs, offers abject apologies and probably some lame excuse, and then goes about his business. As long as Manderly is otherwise cooperating Roose Bolton's not likely to go to war with White Harbor over some upjumped smuggler, and Cersei is too far away to do anything except fume.
Posted 06 March 2007 - 09:15 PM
And she's in no position to do that anyway given her current imprisonment.
A question was it Davos head and HANDS? (i always thought it was hand since you'd only need the one to show it was the shortened fingered upjumped smuggler whould the other be nessary. I don't have AFFC to check.