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#21 Laohu



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Posted 25 December 2011 - 05:15 PM

I think there is no doubt at this point that the "Mance" that was slain is not Mance, but was Rattleshirt, and that Mel has dweamored Mance to look like Rattleshirt.

I got this same vibe during the brief interchange between Jon and "Rattleshirt" before their little sparring match. "We all do what we have to do, Snow. Even kings." Based on the context, he was referring to Stannis when he said "kings," but there could easily be a double entendre here. I immediately thought of King beyond the Wall, not Stannis.

The only thing that keeps me doubting is that Jon does not seem to notice anything different about Rattleshirt other than his body build. I would think Jon would be able to notice something in his face (eyes, for instance) or even his voice. By the sound of the description, if Mance did indeed switch places with Rattleshirt prior to the execution, then he would have had to knock out quite a few of his own teeth to replace them with wooden ones.... Poor bloke.

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 07:59 AM

Interesting chapter indeed! I also agree with the people posting that Rattleshirt was Mance in disguise, and besides that I also love that Jon lost. Just to show the people he isn't invincible.

Secondly, I'd like to comment on the people thinking Sansa might go to the wall. But why? Why would she? I think Jeyne's heading toward the wall, after Rammert his wedding. Maybe Mel wants to make a shadow baby with Jon to kill Rammert?

Awesome, loving Jon his story so far.

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 06:43 AM

Yay, this is the first Jon chapter in the book that I didn't dislike. It was actually quite good. Melisandre in the end was sort of creepy and comforting at the same time. I don't know how to explain it. I have no idea what to make of her. I always considered Ghost to be somewhat "above everything and everyone else" (for lack of a better word), so to see him mesmerized by the red priestess is scaring the hell out of me.

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 11:43 AM

In this chapter Jon sends Jack Bulwer out.

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 08:50 AM

Am I the only one who doesn't like Melisandre at all? I don't see any redeeming features in her.

Edited by Debb2, 11 March 2012 - 08:51 AM.

#26 Lelouch Li Brittania

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Posted 01 October 2012 - 05:39 PM

If the girl who's feeling her wedding is the same coming in a horse, it can only be Jeyne. Arya is nowhere near a wedding, and nor does Sansa. Only Jeyne is wedding and have cause to run. He could help Stannis cause by saying that Bolton is marrying a fake Arya, leaving the noth Starkless again.

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 03:11 PM

I didn't like the Ghost thing because him and Jon have a special bond and he shouldn't have gone to that red bitch

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:25 AM

Very strange reaction from ghost looked like melissandre totally controlled him.
I do hope jon opens himself up to his warging abilities.