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[Robb_]

The Boltons are such excellent hate figures, along with the Freys.

I don't expect Ramsay to live for too long. As said in this chapter he isn't the greatest fighter, he just wildly swings his sword. He is not the smartest. And his father has no intentions of letting him take over his reign and ruling the North. Please GRRM, let Stannis or Jon meet him in battle.

[Lelouch Li Brittania]

I never hated Theon as many people in the forum seems to have hated him before this book. He always wanted to be "that bad guy" but never actually went and done it. His only "evil" doing was killing two boys, while everything else was done by someone else but the blame fell into Theon's shoulder. So I don't think he deserved this at all (I wish this happened to Joffrey), and just shows how weak-minded and immature Theon always were.

[EddardCorleone]

Roose is more humane than Ramsay but it still doesn't mean he is nice.
He knows that Ramsay killed his son and if ever had any other kids Ramsay will kill them too.

Edited by EddardCorleone, 19 October 2012 - 11:37 AM.

[par]

Ramsey calling Theon "Reek" does not make sense for me.
The first reek was his close companion, his friend, a man who was in some respect his equal.
With Theon, things are different. He is his toy, his pet, a man that for some reason he liked to torture, mutilate and degrade.


By calling Theon "reek", he made a comparison between the first reek and theon, and I wonder why...

[Kate Poem]

Hmm, Ramsay's "reason" for tortures, mutilations and degradation are sick and monstrous, but...
Theon:
trueborn son of Lord of Iron Islands.
Ramsay;
bastard of one Stark's bannermen;

Theon:
handsome, smiling, trained by knight in swords and bow, wenches and whores for every call;
Ramsay:
"trained" by Reek. Raper.

Theon:
"Prince of Winterfell", heir of Iron Islands.
Ramsay:
"Reek".

I think there are his "reasons" for his evil doings...

[ysTooCool]

Lady Snark, on 22 August 2011 - 03:06 PM, said:

  For me, there are quite a few "purely evil" characters:  Ramsay Bolton, Joffrey, Gregor Clegane, Biter.  And Roose Bolton and Walder Frey are pretty close to purely evil.  Roose knowing what his bastard is and turning a blind eye is just so wrong.  

Biter isn't purely evil IMO. He was trained in a fighting pit with his tongue plugged out in Flea Bottom by Rorge, poor guy literally didnt "know" anything other than fighting and eating. Rorge is the purely evil guy, IMO
And joffrey, i think he has the cruelty in his blood , but the lack of proper parenting just enforced it by 100 times; Robert didn't love him, and cersei was overly protective

[winwolf]

congokong, on 05 July 2012 - 09:15 PM, said:

Ramsay is such a psycho that his idea of a good time is a dinner with a mess everywhere, dogs running around the hall, skins (?) on the walls, a dead dog on the ground, and Reek randomly chained in the corner.

Ye exacly that purely evil character

Theon chapters amazing so far

[Bad Hound!]

I too am intrigued by Roose's willingness to talk frankly with Theon. Why?

Then we find out at the end of the chapter that Lady Dustin and Roose have some sort of purpose for Theon. What is it?

There's something going on here that GRRM isn't telling us explicitely, but there is something.

[Xasthur]

Kate Poem, on 07 January 2013 - 12:38 PM, said:

Hmm, Ramsay's "reason" for tortures, mutilations and degradation are sick and monstrous, but...
Theon:
trueborn son of Lord of Iron Islands.
Ramsay;
bastard of one Stark's bannermen;

Theon:
handsome, smiling, trained by knight in swords and bow, wenches and whores for every call;
Ramsay:
"trained" by Reek. Raper.

Theon:
"Prince of Winterfell", heir of Iron Islands.
Ramsay:
"Reek".

I think there are his "reasons" for his evil doings...

What I really like on the Reek-Ramsey-relationship is that Ramsey obviously isn't just a plain sadist. On a re-read, I found that the fact that Ramsey is Theon's "Reek" in the first place, and subdues himself under Theons authority (a better looking, high-born, arrogant lad) and then turns the whole whole relationship 180° arround is a huge turn on for Ramsey. GRRM makes several implications that Ramsey is into all this BDSM-stuff.
Sadly this isn't really well translated into the TV-series since Book-2-Ramsey is replaced with this Ironborn-officer (can't remember his name).

Edited by Xasthur, 12 April 2013 - 03:18 AM.