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[Pre-ADwD Spoilers] Tyrion 2 - Spoilers for ADWD


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#1 Jon Targaryen

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Posted 06 November 2005 - 02:04 PM

by Caress of Cersei

Tyrion is traveling with Illyrio in a litter, with several unsullied walking beside guarding them and their stuff that follows. Illyrio is confident that his household loves him and well, they wouldn't betray him. Tyrion laughs to himself. They're drinking a lot of sweet wine and Tyrion is glad he can stretch out in the litter. He looks out and sees some dung, which makes him think of his lord father. He hopes Tywin is in some hell where father can see him restore Dany to the throne and he will become Lord of Casterly Rock. He considers himself now all but dead ever since the red viper died. He hopes Dany isn't a frail maiden b/c she might cut herself on the iron throne. Illyrio says he thought about taking Dany for himself but thought she would be "dry, stiff, and fearfull" - she's like a dragon egg - lovely to behold, but dead on the inside.

Tyrion asks if he can trust the daughter of Aerys. Illyrio replies that he trusts the "sister of Rhaegar" or something to that effect. He said that Viserys promised him Master of the coin an d he would either get Harrenhal, Storm's End, or Casterly Rock. But he knew better than to trust.

Illyrio talks about "Grif" (you'll hear more about this from Trebla) and Tyrion thinks he sounds a lot like Bronn. Tyrion worried about sellswords and Illyrio says he trusts him like his own brother to which Tyrion replies that he too, shall trust him like his own brother (LOL)

Illyrio is matching him in his cups - Tyrion thinks Illyrio loves the sound of his own voice and therefore says too much, but recognizes that that is his own failing as well. Illyrio starts to talk about how he and Varys were children together. Varys slept in the sewers and prowled the rooftops. In Myr he was the Prince of Thieves? but in Pentos he was despised as a eunich. He and Illyrio had an arrangement about stealing and restitution (I'm sure others will go more into this detail)

Much talk about llittle birds which were called "mice" here - orphan boys and girls that were taught to read ledgers and charts b/c secrets were worth more than silvers. Illyrio stayed behind but Varys talents reached a king who didn't trust his son, his Queen, or his Hand.

by Trebla
Tyrion and Illyrio depart Pentos through the Sunset Gate. They travel by a huge litter that could fit 4 Illyrio's so there is plenty of room for a dwarf. Unsullied guard their trek and there are a trail of mules that follow them carrying chests, casks, barrels, and hampers filled with delectables to make sure Illyrio doesn't lose his fat figure.

Tyrion complains that he should have been sent by ship to Slavers Bay but Illyrio explains the dangers of pirates and autumn storms. Illyrio will take him as far as the River road and from there he will travel to Dany. Tyrion grouses that by the time he gets to Dany her dragons will be as large as Balerion the Black Dread. Illyrio muses that might not be a bad thing.

They drink, eat, and talk a lot during the journey. Tyrion repeatedly promises himself he will cease his heavy drinking but keep filling his cup. They eat lavishly on all kind of foods and drink several different types of wine.

They stop only to relieve themselves on the road. The road itself is an old Valyrian road, fused stone raised a half foot above the ground. The road was wide enough for 3 wagons and it showed no sign of cracks from weather or traffic. Tyrion remembers that Valyria reached as far as Dragonstone, but never to Westeros itself. He finds it odd that they never tried to expand into the wealthy 7 kingdoms. "The wealth was further west, but they had dragons. Surely they knew it was there."

He notes a piece of dung on the road and thinks of Tywin. He thinks to himself that he should have killed Tywin long ago and hope Tywin will see him from Hell raisings Aerys' daughter to the throne.

He asks Illyrio of Dany and Illyio tells Tyrion of her. He explains that she was a frightened little girl, always wary. She was lovely, though, and he considered getting rid of Viscerys and claiming her for a wife. He doesn't do so because he believed her to be dead inside. He says that little girl died in the Doathraki sea and he does not know this new queen. Tyrion asks why Illyrio would put Mad Aerys' daughter on the throne. Illyrio says she is the sister of Prince Rhaegar.

During the conversation, Illyrio reveals that Viscerys had promised Illyrio the Master of Coin post and his choice of castles. The choices were Storm's End, Harrenhal, and Casterly Rock. Tyrion finds that hilarious. They both agree they are mistrustful of the gratitude of kings. Illyrio explains he has done all of this only for Varys. Tyrion's thoughts reveal he does not believe Illyrio at all on that.

Tyrion then finds out they are to meet a Griff on the road. Griff leads a group of sell swords. Griff is a knight from Westeros, although he had long been in Illyrio's service. Griff has raised his own son to be a knight and he is called Young Griff. Illyrio assures Tyrion that Young Griff will like him.

Tyrion is skeptical of dealing with sell swords since Cersei has offered a Lordship for his head. Illyrio explains that only Griff will know who Tyrion is and that he trusts Griff like a brother. Tyrion believes it is a mistake but only says, "Then I will trust Griff as I would my own brother." ( )

They keep eating and drinking and end up speaking of Varys. Tyrion learns that Illyrio and Varys grew up together in Pentos. Varys had arrived from Myr one step ahead of the slavers after being ratted out by a fellow thief. Varys had been a Prince of Thieves in Myr.

Varys was nearly beaten to death in Pentos and Illyrio decided to come to an arrangement with him. Varys spied on small time thieves and stole their loot. Illyrio worked out arrangements with the victimes to recover their loot for a price. Half of the thieves wanted to kill Varys while the other half started selling their loot to him. Illyrio and Varys grew rich and soon Varys began to train his little "mice".

The mice were little boys and girls who he taught to climb walls, slip into chimneys, and to read. The mice were used to steal information, memorize it, and then leave. Varys' talents gave him a reputation that got to an anxious king who did not trust his son, his Queen, or his over proud Hand.

Tyrion knew that story and admitted that Illyrio was much more than a simple cheese monger. Illyrio admits that Tyrion is just as quick as Varys had claimed.

They eat and drink some more and Illyrio falls asleep. Tyrion ponders the Myrish Fire wine he is drinking and thinks of dragons. He remembers his lonely childhood and remembers his dreams of being a Targaryen Prince of a Valyrian dragonlord, flying over the land. He recalls when two of his uncles asked what he wanted for his nameday. He begged for a dragon, claiming it didn't have to be a big one. It could be little like him. Gerion laughed but Tygett shook his head and told him that there were no more dragon because the last died a hundred year before. Tyrion thought it was very unfair and had cried himself to sleep that night. He thinks of Dany's 3 dragons and in his heart he listens for the beat of leather wings.

They pass through the Flatlands. Tyrion hears of the Velvet Hills and of the Rhoynar city Arnar. It was destroyed by Valyria. He gloats that he will see the Free Cities and ponders whether he should visit every whore in Volantis and name their bastards Tywin.

Tyrion recalls his 16th birthday when he announced he would visit the Free Cities as Gerion had. Tywin forbids it because Tyrion could not be relied upon to not disgrace the Lannisters. Tyrion defiantly claims since he is a man he is free to do as he wished.

Tywin tells him that only children and fools believe that men are truly free. Tywin tells him he should dress in motley and amuse the spice kings and cheese lords. But Tyrion will have to pay his own way and he can never return. Tyrion asks why Tywin wants him around since he has never had any use for him. Tywin decides to make use of Tyrion and on his name day has him clean all of the drains and cistens in Casterly Rock. Tyrion thinks Tywin hoped he'd fall in one but proudly recalls what a good job he did.

They pass south of the Hills of the Andalos. The Andals had departed from there ten thousand years ago. Tyrion recalls a septon claiming the Seven had walked the hills in human form. Tyrion recites passages from "The Seven-Pointed Star"(other holy books are mentioned but not named). Tyrion had at one time considered becoming a septon until he found a real use for his manhood and fell in love

Illyrio tells of his first love and how he lost her to the grey death. He kept her hands in his bedchamber. Tyrion lies and claims the love he had was for his hand because he cannot speak of Tysha.

They speak more of the Andals and Rhoynar. Illyrio claims that the Andals learned smithing from the Rhoynar. Tyrion learns that the hills are empty because the Khals often pillage the area. They argue about the Dothraki with Tyrion claiming that the Dothraki would not be quick to pillage if someone destroyed a khalasar. Illyrio argues the difficulty with doing so and that it is easier to buy them off. Tyrion sees why Tywin held the Free Cities in such contempt.

Tyrion hears stories of rock goblins and giants warring. The goblins won but were seduced by swan maidens from the lakes and were made thralls. The Andals then rose up and killed them all. Later, a group of robbers preyed on folks near the lakes until Rhoynar drowned them. Legend says the robbers are still there to claim anyone who tries to fish the lakes.

They pass a large Valyrian sphinx. There were two but the other sits now in Vaes Dothrak.

Tyrion gets drunker than ever that night and sings his and Shae's song. He recalls how Shae's hands beat at him when he strangled her, twisting the chain again and again. He does not recall whether he had kissed her one last time.

His thoughts go to Tysha and he recalls their first time. They both did not how. He tries to see her face but all he sees is Tywin on the privy when he shot him with the crossbow

He falls asleep and awakes to find the litter stopped. He climbs out to piss and finds Illyrio, surrounded by the Unsullied, speaking to 2 strange men. He banters with them about his pissing and then asks if their is trouble and whether he should grab an axe.

The larger one laughs and asks his companion, Haldon, if he had heard that. Haldon doubts that Tyrion could kill a duck. Tyrion takes the bait and tells them to fetch a duck. The large man draws his sword and tells Tyrion, "I'm Duck, you mouthy little pisspot"

He asks what Tyrion thinks of that. Tyrion get real nervous and responds by saying he had a smaller duck in mind. Duck laughs loudly at that. Haldon says Griff will be grateful for the dwarf but that Griff sent them for some chests. Haldon orders Duck to put the chests on some mules. Duck whines that he is the knight here but still does as he is told. Illyrio asks about Young Griff and asks if the boy is ready. Haldon tells him that Young Griff is as tall as Griff and 3 days earlier had driven Duck backwards into a horse trough.

Illyrio says he wants to give Young Griff his blessings and has a gift for him in the chests. Haldon tells him there is no time for the litter. Illyrio gets angry and says there are things Griff must know. The Golden Company has broken its contact with Myr and is riding west from the Disputed Lands. Haldon interrupts him by saying they already know this because Bennaro has seen it in his fires and that the Golden Company makes for Volantis. That is why Griff needs them to make haste. Illyrio says, "The dragon has three heads, there is no need for haste.

Haldon says Griff believes there is need for haste. Haldon eyes Tyrion and then begins to speak in another language. Tyrion cannot tell what it is but think it might be Volantene. He catches a few words that come close to High Valyrian. The words he catches are, queen, dragon, and sword.

Tyrion asks for their names after Haldon asks if Tyrion can ride as well as he pisses. Haldon tells him they also call him Halfmaester and that he is the healer of the group. Tyrion is then introduced to Ser Rolly Duckfield. Tyrion says he must call him Ser Duck and Duck agrees. Duck claims any knight can make a knight and that Griff made him one.

They ask Tyrion's name and Illyrio says it's Yollo. Tyrion hates it, thinking it sounds like a monkey and a Pentoshi. Tyrion tells them his name is Hugor Hill and (in "The Seven Pointed Star, the Father placed a crown of 7 stars on Hugor of the Hill) Haldor asks if he is little bastard or a little king.

Tyrion realizes the man misses little and he will have to be careful around him.Tyrion tells them even a dwarf is a bastard in his father's eyes. They tell him to fetch his axe and get ready to ride because Griff will not wait for man or dwarf.

Edited by Jon Targaryen, 06 November 2005 - 02:05 PM.


#2 Caligula_K

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Posted 14 November 2005 - 06:56 PM

Ahh, after reading Feast For Crows and missing Tyrion tremendously, I finally caved in and read the summaries of his two chapters. All I can say is that his storyline for ADWD sounds completely awesome. Can't wait to read the scene where he finally meets Dany...

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Posted 21 November 2005 - 09:31 AM

by Caress of Cersei

They stop only to relieve themselves on the road. The road itself is an old Valyrian road, fused stone raised a half foot above the ground. The road was wide enough for 3 wagons and it showed no sign of cracks from weather or traffic. Tyrion remembers that Valyria reached as far as Dragonstone, but never to Westeros itself. He finds it odd that they never tried to expand into the wealthy 7 kingdoms. "The wealth was further west, but they had dragons. Surely they knew it was there."



Ok now here is an interesting one. Why didn't Valyria ever try to conquer Westeros? Here are some of the possible explainations I can think of.

1. Disinterest, Westeros not worth the dragon breath, is it possible that the Westerosi have an over inflated sense of their worth and that to the Valyrians it was to backward.

2. Potential threat number one, some of the first men have tha ability to skinchange with other creatures. If a warg ever managed to take ove a dragon then Valyria would have faced a grave threat.

3 Potential threat number two, Westeros acts as kind of a buffer to the Others?

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Posted 22 November 2005 - 05:14 PM

Ok now here is an interesting one. Why didn't Valyria ever try to conquer Westeros? Here are some of the possible explainations I can think of.

1. Disinterest, Westeros not worth the dragon breath, is it possible that the Westerosi have an over inflated sense of their worth and that to the Valyrians it was to backward.

2. Potential threat number one, some of the first men have tha ability to skinchange with other creatures. If a warg ever managed to take ove a dragon then Valyria would have faced a grave threat.

3 Potential threat number two, Westeros acts as kind of a buffer to the Others?



If the Valyrians were scared of the Others i dont see why the first taegaryans landed there after the doom, the others are still there, they could have easily gone somewhere else.
I always figured it was #1 they just couldnt be assed with the effort :P

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Posted 24 November 2005 - 02:31 AM

If the Valyrians were scared of the Others i dont see why the first taegaryans landed there after the doom, the others are still there, they could have easily gone somewhere else.
I always figured it was #1 they just couldnt be assed with the effort :P


After Doom Targaryens had no place to go, but Westeros

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Posted 24 November 2005 - 01:17 PM

I think the Valyrians didn't want to stretch themselves too thin. What became the Free Cities were already Valyrian colonies and there was the constant wars with Ghis.

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Posted 24 November 2005 - 01:25 PM

I think it was distance. Westeros is a LONG way from Valyria and it is also self-supporting. If a Valyrian overseer armed with dragons in Westeros suddenly decided to carve himself an empire, then Valyria would be facing a civil war against an opponent armed with dragons, a real and tangible threat.

No evidence the Valyrians knew about the Others, or if they did they thought them nothing more than legends. Should be interesting to see what the role of R'hllor was in Valyrian mythology/religion (if he had a role, that is).

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Posted 27 November 2005 - 11:15 AM

Others are definetley in Asshai mitology, so they can easly be in Valyrian mitology too

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Posted 28 November 2005 - 09:25 AM

I think it was distance. Westeros is a LONG way from Valyria and it is also self-supporting. If a Valyrian overseer armed with dragons in Westeros suddenly decided to carve himself an empire, then Valyria would be facing a civil war against an opponent armed with dragons, a real and tangible threat.


They had Dragonstone, why stop there, so I don't think the distance was an issue. Also they had an good method of communication over long distances with the dragonglass candles, that would have aided in establishing good command and control. Tyrion from the spoiler doesn't think distance was the issue.

"All Valyrian sorcery was rooted in blood or fire. The sorcerers of the Freehold could see across mountains, seas, and deserts with one of these glass candles. They could enter a man's dreams and give him visions, and speak to one another half a world apart, seated before their candles. Do you think that might be useful, Slayer?"



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Posted 29 November 2005 - 05:38 PM

They had Dragonstone, why stop there, so I don't think the distance was an issue. Also they had an good method of communication over long distances with the dragonglass candles, that would have aided in establishing good command and control. Tyrion from the spoiler doesn't think distance was the issue.


I think it had something to do with the others and the wall. While the first man/children of the forest theory is interesting, keep in mind valyria rose to power 6000 years ago; at around this same time all the chioldren of the forest were butchered or were being butchered by the andals, who were also mingling with the first men, making them forget their powers/magick, etc etc.

Also, I think Valyria was busy with warring with ghis, (which they fought 5 times before finally destroying it). ALso Westeros was probably not as useful to them as the free cities. (recall their main reason for conquering was getting slaves for the mines).

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 10:21 AM

Also, I think Valyria was busy with warring with ghis, (which they fought 5 times before finally destroying it). ALso Westeros was probably not as useful to them as the free cities. (recall their main reason for conquering was getting slaves for the mines).

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where can I read about this Ghis and wars with Valyria ?! can't remember such details ... :(

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Posted 04 December 2005 - 07:30 AM

Dany 2, ASOS (I think)

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 08:55 AM

Could "Griff" be ser Jorah ? We have no physical depiction of him, but I think it is reasonable to suppose so.

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 11:44 AM

Could "Griff" be ser Jorah ? We have no physical depiction of him, but I think it is reasonable to suppose so.



Either he is someone we have never heard of, or he is the exiled Lord Connington, whose cousin we saw getting backhanded by Jaime for badmouthing the Maid of Tarth...

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where can I read about this Ghis and wars with Valyria ?! can't remember such details ... :(



You can't as far as I know, except for what GRRM feeds us in the books. Maybe in the RPG that is floating about, or at Westeros.org...

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 09:45 AM

Tyrion and Illyrio depart Pentos through the Sunset Gate.

SUNSET gate??? they are supposed to go EAST to Mereen, not west as sunset indicates. Also, west of Pentos is Narrow sea. (link to map is in my signature) Any explanations?

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 11:43 PM

SUNSET gate??? they are supposed to go EAST to Mereen, not west as sunset indicates. Also, west of Pentos is Narrow sea. (link to map is in my signature) Any explanations?


That's only if you're leaving throguh it, not entering it. Anyone entering the gate would be headed west, if the gate's on the eastern side.

So it may or may not mean anything.

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 11:46 PM

or maybe the road doubles back

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Posted 22 January 2006 - 05:17 PM

How 'bout Griff is Ser Arthur Dayne, who was allowed to take Aegon (one of Ned's promises to Lyanna) and, with his sister Ashara, go across the sea? And Young Griff is Aegon Targaryen?

How bout them apples?

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Posted 22 January 2006 - 05:24 PM

Nah. I think Ned and Reed killed him. Ned get depressed when he talks about him with Bran, because he killed the finest knight he had known. And the other kg there was dead and also Neds companions.

I dont think they would make a treaty when they were the last ones fighting

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Posted 22 January 2006 - 05:34 PM

Ned get depressed when he talks about him with Bran, because he killed the finest knight he had known.


Where is this convo? A Ned POV or a Bran?

Thanks!