[Andhaira]

Restless, on Sep 25 2008, 07.46, said:

yep, thats a riddle.
So "To go north, you must go south." means she must go north and then will go south and conquesr Westeros :)

No, she will die (horribly) while fighting the Others, be reanimated as the Ice Queen (offscreen)

The epilogue of the last book will feature Jorah Mormont as the LC in his final years (80 +yrs of age) as he heads out north of the wall for one last ranging. He will meet the ice queen, and finally bed her....

The End?? :wideeyed:

[TimTheEnchanter]

I think it's quite possible that the "pale mare" symbolizes Aurane Waters.. the sigil of the Velaryons is a silvery seahorse . And the Velaryons are also of valyrian descent and quite often they married among each other so there would be a strong relation between the two houses.

[Besselfunction]

Thats probably one of the better explanations for "pale mare" that I've encountered so far! One thing that doesnt fit though is that the prophecy states "first comes the pale mare", which can hardly be true if its Aurane Waters (who leaves KL at the end of AFFC and thereby would arrive in Meereen late in ADWD). It doesnt entirely rule out that possibilty, though - perhaps all the suitors arrive rather late and of those Aurane is the first.

[TimTheEnchanter]

Besselfunction, on Sep 29 2008, 13.53, said:

Thats probably one of the better explanations for "pale mare" that I've encountered so far! One thing that doesnt fit though is that the prophecy states "first comes the pale mare", which can hardly be true if its Aurane Waters (who leaves KL at the end of AFFC and thereby would arrive in Meereen late in ADWD). It doesnt entirely rule out that possibilty, though - perhaps all the suitors arrive rather late and of those Aurane is the first.

Ah, you're right about that. Given the fact that ADwD will run simultaneously with AFfC it seems hard to realize for Aurane and his fleet to arrive first. Otherwise, i have absolutely no idea how long it would take to cross the distance on a ship neither i know if the other visitors will have a straight, smooth way. Maybe they all get in trouble on their way, so there will be a great delay for all visitors, especially tor those wo travel on land ...

[sholtzma]

This may be completely irrelevant but I thought I would share. In doing some readings for my Black Death class, I read some reference in one of the readings to the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. The fourth horse is specifically described as "pale" (the others are various colors) and some think that the term "pale" refers to a shade of green, representing decomposition, and specifically represents Death.

I don't know that the term "pale mare" is in any way connected with the Four Horsemen, but I always thought since reading this spoiler that it was a unique term, and probably had some meaning beyond what we could see right now. It will be interesting to see what it really refers to in the coming books of the series.

[Other-in-Law]

TimTheEnchanter, on Sep 29 2008, 12.10, said:

I think it's quite possible that the "pale mare" symbolizes Aurane Waters.. the sigil of the Velaryons is a silvery seahorse . And the Velaryons are also of valyrian descent and quite often they married among each other so there would be a strong relation between the two houses.

Ha! That's an old crackpot theory of mine, pivoting on the fact that male seahorses bear their young to explain away why Aurane would be a "mare" instead of a "stallion".

[sholtzma]

But male seahorses make sperm. They are absolutely male, as a stallion would be a male. A mare makes eggs. This seems like a stretch.

[Jurble]

So what's the consensus is Mummer's Dragon Aurane Waters, or the head of the Golden Company, or someone else?

This post has been edited by Jurble: 16 August 2009 - 07:25 PM

[Ran]

My own theory is that it's Young Griff.

[Jurble]

Where's all this Young Griff mania coming from? I see he's mentioned like one line in the Tyrion 2 spoiler thread, or did i miss him somewhere else? What's the proof he's either Aegon or a false Aegon? (is Griff = Jon Connington based just on the name Griff or something else?)

[Ran]

It's just from that Tyrion chapter, and some details regarding Illyrio wanting to give him something (generally assumed to be a Valyrian steel sword, perhaps Dark Sister or even Blackfyre). Griff is widely believed to be Jon Connington, yes.

[Mezeh]

Jurble, on Aug 19 2009, 03.15, said:

Where's all this Young Griff mania coming from? I see he's mentioned like one line in the Tyrion 2 spoiler thread, or did i miss him somewhere else? What's the proof he's either Aegon or a false Aegon? (is Griff = Jon Connington based just on the name Griff or something else?)

There is no proof. Grif – 2’nd Tyrion chapter obviously = griffin from Daenerys chapter definitely arms of house Connington. There were only three Conningtons alive by the time - Jon Connington, his cousin who was given family castle by Robert and Red Ronnet who is presently the head of the house – so his father died. Since Red Ronnet couldn’t be Grif from spoilers it is Jon Connington almost for sure.
Now from Tyrion’s chapter Grif is “old friend” of Illirio and trusted by him. We also see that Grif won’t take orders from Illirio so his position in the plot is equal to Varys and Illirio.
This raises a couple of questions:
1. Why Connington faked rumors about his death and avoided any notice so much time?
2. Equal position means equal roles. We know more or the less what Varys and Illirio roles in the plot but what Grif could be doing that is no less important?

So if Young Grif is Aegon (no matter real or false) we will get pretty good answers to both questions.

[Andhaira]

I wonder about Victarions interaction with dany. Dany will need the Iron Fleet. OTOH she will NOT want to marry Victarion (or Euron for that matter)

What will happen? Its all so exciting!

Hurry up GRRM!

[stc2583]

Regarding Quaithe's prophecy.....

Could be Bran warging Drogo the mummer's dragon??

We know (by spoilers, of course) Drogon is heading north. Bran is there and improving his warg skills. Indeed, he might be a dragon rider (Martin stated that needn't to be Targ)

Also, Bran dreamed on a black shadow flying over Winterfell.

And finnally, the mummer's dragon is at the end of Quaithe's prophecy, so Dany-Bran/Drogon encounter would be the last one. The dragon flies beyond the wall and comes back to Slavers Bay.