Sundara Hai Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Hi all! So I just finished reading about the surrender of Riverrun and am a little confused about something.When Jaime took Edmure and had him fed and washed and left the singer to play for him, why did Edmure become upset and say "No. Not him." Or something along those lines? I see later that the singer identified himself as Tom o' Seven, but that still doesn't explain how Edmure knows him, or why he didn't want him to play for him.Was he the one who played outside the door when He bedded his wife during the Red Wedding? If so how did Tom end up with the Freys? Isn't he one of Lord Beric's men?Thanks for any clarification :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 Tom is still one of Beric's men. He's basically spying on the Lannister camp. That's how they knew to ambush the Frey contingent that Jaime sent back to the Twins. As to Edmure's reaction, Tom wrote a song about his lack of sexual prowess at one point. The Floppy Fish, I believe. I guess it's safe to say that Tom is not one of Edmure's favorite recording artists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmflavius Posted July 30, 2011 Share Posted July 30, 2011 In particular, I am given to understand that said song rose from an incident where Tom bedded a woman Edmure desired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundara Hai Posted July 30, 2011 Author Share Posted July 30, 2011 Tom is still one of Beric's men. He's basically spying on the Lannister camp. That's how they knew to ambush the Frey contingent that Jaime sent back to the Twins. As to Edmure's reaction, Tom wrote a song about his lack of sexual prowess at one point. The Floppy Fish, I believe. I guess it's safe to say that Tom is not one of Edmure's favorite recording artists.OH! I see! Thanks for refreshing my memory :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Missing Link Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 I was actually shocked with the lute player revealed himself to be Tom O' Seven. It and when Arya wakes up after drinking the milk were a couple of moments that I really didn't see coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arristan the Old Posted August 26, 2011 Share Posted August 26, 2011 I just caught this yesterday as I was wrapping up my 5th read of AFFC. I always figured Edmure must have recognized the lutist from the Red Wedding too - that just seems like a much better justification for his visibly dismayed reaction than seeing some singer he just happened to have some grudge against because of the floppy fish song he'd written who knows how long ago (probably quite a while though, I'm thinking). Especially when Edmure only recognized him *after* he began to sing The Rains of Castamere! It was only the part about how the musician who Edmure was dismayed to recognize and the musician who introduced himself to Jaime as Tom o'Sevens were actually the same guy that I hadn't put together until just last night.But if Edmure's reaction was due to Red Wedding recognition, I agree with the OP - why would Tom have been helping the Freys and Boltons pull off the Red Wedding, and if he did, why would Uncat trust him after that, given that she wouldn't even consider giving Brienne the benefit of the doubt? I'm sure she would have recognized him...But Manhole Eunuchsbane - I really like that idea about how Tom's the reason the Freys Jaime sent away got killed... That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord__Snow Posted August 28, 2011 Share Posted August 28, 2011 Glad I'm not the only one thinking.... "eh???" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spidey Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 I just caught this yesterday as I was wrapping up my 5th read of AFFC. I always figured Edmure must have recognized the lutist from the Red Wedding too - But how would that be possible? By the time of the RW, Tom was still with Beric's men. Surely, Merret Frey would have recognized him otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Sabotage Posted December 3, 2013 Share Posted December 3, 2013 Sorry for the zombie post, I just stumbled upon this thread. Even one book later, the Red Wedding remains an horrifying scene. Several characters, both POV and non-POV, shudders at it in recollection. Had the Red Wedding never happened, Edmure's reaction would have seemed totally natural. Edmure spent a lot of days standing at some gallows waiting for his last breath. He saw the dead coming through Ilyn Payne's blade, only to fall limp on the ground. Fed, washed and almost freed, the man is wary and looks around for the trap. Except for The Rains of Castamere - played for a cautionary tale - nothing is amiss, except Tom O'Seven. It's not too much a big deal, but it's the only hair on the soup. The sight of him triggers all of Edmure's fears. First world problem. The queer fact is that Edmure is paying no mind to the Red Wedding - the bedding and the captivity effectivly shielding him against any form of guilt or grief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkstarRevelation Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 I don't think there's any possibility that tom o sevens was part of the red wedding it makes no sense for any of the brotherhood to have been even remotely involved and he was with the brotherhood anyway when arya left them. As unusual as it seems I think it must just be the floppy fish theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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