[ADwD Spoilers] Dusky Woman

[Ser Chandors Stalfyr]

Any thoughts on who the dusky woman is/what her overall impact on the storyline may be? Or is she simply one of Victarion's ensemble?

[Bar Keep]

I think there is a good chance she was put there by Euron to spy for him.

[MtnLion]

The better use for her may be to ensure that Victarion remains under control. Euron is a sly one.

[Bar Keep]

What ever her purpose, she is definitely there to carry out Euron's will.

I am curious to know why she got really angry when she saw the red priest. What was that all about?

[nategator]

As I mentioned in the Victarion thread I'm pretty sure she was the one poisoning Vicatarion, not the maester, because she had the responsibility for changing the bandages. Also her reaction to the red priest is telling.

Finally, you have to look at things from Euron's perspective. What better way to ensure a spy won't trip herself up through error or love than rip her tongue out?

She'll probably try to interfere with Victarion and the red priest transferring magical ownership over the dragon horn next.

[Olenna]

Maybe Euron wargs in to her and listens in on Victarion's plans (which he's always telling her about)

[Spring Bass]

Crackpot Theory: Euron is a skin-changer who wargs into the Dusky Woman in order to spy on Victarion.

[Peter Woolshirt]

Crackpot Theory number 2: Euron knows the techniques the faceless men use, and he is the dusky woman. He has one of his supporters impersonating him (maybe using a glamour) back home.

[Plumed Quetzalcoatl]

So Euron is having sex with his brother?

[Draakon]

First he has sex with Victarion's wife and now with Victarion himself.

Well.. he certainly is one wicked devil.

[Rinso]

As I mentioned in the Victarion thread I'm pretty sure she was the one poisoning Vicatarion, not the maester, because she had the responsibility for changing the bandages. Also her reaction to the red priest is telling.

First - that's putting the cart before the horse; she couldn't have known what Moqorro's intentions were when he and Vic entered the cabin, it's not like she knew beforehand that he was going to heal Vic. So I don't believe her anger concealed anything of importance.

Second, Moqorro pointed the blame towards the maester; Moqorro, let me say, like any red priest has supernatural premonition and he seems to have some agenda that goes with Vic - it makes no sense to point an innocent man as the poisoner and to purposefully let the real culprit get away.

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Anyway, I think the dusky woman is just what she appears to be - a bedslave. I think that the fact that she was Euron's gift for Vic has more to do with Euron being perverse and mocking, rather than with something of actual use like a spy (she'd make a lousy spy, considering that she has no way of contacting Euron with news about Vic when they are half a world apart).

[Tourmaline Dragon]

Any thoughts on who the dusky woman is/what her overall impact on the storyline may be? Or is she simply one of Victarion's ensemble?

Well personally I am very suspicious of her. Didn’t Victarion say that all Euron’s gifts are poisoned?

[Tourmaline Dragon]

I am curious to know why she got really angry when she saw the red priest. What was that all about?

I am very curious about that too. I found her hisssing reaction to the Red Priest very interesting, obviously she has a strong dislike of them, and perhaps she views that religion as evil.

In fact the dusky woman’s reaction is the strongest negative reaction we have seen so far towards a Red Priest. I also found it interesting the way all the monkeys immediately abandoned ship, animals can sense evil.

[nategator]

First - that's putting the cart before the horse; she couldn't have known what Moqorro's intentions were when he and Vic entered the cabin, it's not like she knew beforehand that he was going to heal Vic. So I don't believe her anger concealed anything of importance.

Second, Moqorro pointed the blame towards the maester; Moqorro, let me say, like any red priest has supernatural premonition and he seems to have some agenda that goes with Vic - it makes no sense to point an innocent man as the poisoner and to purposefully let the real culprit get away.

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Anyway, I think the dusky woman is just what she appears to be - a bedslave. I think that the fact that she was Euron's gift for Vic has more to do with Euron being perverse and mocking, rather than with something of actual use like a spy (she'd make a lousy spy, considering that she has no way of contacting Euron with news about Vic when they are half a world apart).

You're assuming that red priests do not have a reputation for healing. Just because they do not have a reputation in Westeros does not mean that they do not have a reputation from where the dusky woman was born/has been. Obviously the maester was not healing Victarion. So if you were the person poisoning Victarion and then you saw someone who could undo your work, if would make you upset, no? Since you cannot provide a more compelling explanation for why the dusky woman would be upset at seeing the red priest alive my explanation is equally valid at this point, without more.

Second, you're wrong that Moqorro fingered the maester. Instead, that was Victarion's assumption alone.

Third, you are assuming that red priests are omniprescent when everything in aSoIaF says that they are not. Red priests are limited by what they choose to ask and are shown as well as their ability to interpret the visions correctly. You are also assuming that Moqorro would tell Victarion when he may not for his own motivations (to avoid pissing Victarion off, to try to co-opt the dusky woman, etc)

Finally, the most glaring reason why you are wrong and I am right is that you think "the dusky woman is just what she appears to be." That is extremely rare in aSoIaF when GRRM presents a mystery and/or mysterious people.

[Rinso]

You're assuming that red priests do not have a reputation for healing. Just because they do not have a reputation in Westeros does not mean that they do not have a reputation from where the dusky woman was born/has been. Obviously the maester was not healing Victarion. So if you were the person poisoning Victarion and then you saw someone who could undo your work, if would make you upset, no? Since you cannot provide a more compelling explanation for why the dusky woman would be upset at seeing the red priest alive my explanation is equally valid at this point, without more.

No, I assume that the dusky woman didn't knew why Moqorro went into the cabin with Vic. Look at the situation through her eyes - she sits in the cabin and then Victarion and Moqorro enter. That's it - nobody told her what they intended to do. For all she knew they might have just go there to talk about the weather. As for a reason for her reaction, how about a superstitious fear or something? Moqorro looks quite fierce, after all. Why everyone, down to Guardsman N. 73, has to have some hidden agenda of great importance?

Second, you're wrong that Moqorro fingered the maester. Instead, that was Victarion's assumption alone.

No, I'm not wrong. Victarion gave the order, but Moqorro was the one who compelled him to do it. There's a quote:

Wisps of dark smoke rose from his fingers as he pointed at the maester. "That one. Cut his throat and throw him in the sea, and the winds will favore us all the way to Meereen." Moqorro had seen that in his fires.

Third, you are assuming that red priests are omniprescent when everything in aSoIaF says that they are not. Red priests are limited by what they choose to ask and are shown as well as their ability to interpret the visions correctly. You are also assuming that Moqorro would tell Victarion when he may not for his own motivations (to avoid pissing Victarion off, to try to co-opt the dusky woman, etc)

Moqorro wants Victarion alive, I trust you will agree. So it would make no sense to point a wrong culprit and let the real poisoner get away.

Finally, the most glaring reason why you are wrong and I am right is that you think "the dusky woman is just what she appears to be." That is extremely rare in aSoIaF when GRRM presents a mystery and/or mysterious people.

I didn't know she was a mystery. Perhaps you are the one who sees her as one.

[Queenslayer(in the bed)]

Maybe Euron wargs in to her and listens in on Victarion's plans (which he's always telling her about)

he also wargs when Victorian is getting freaky. But that's just for fun.

[Kaitscralt]

Judging by the description of her nipples, unfortunately she could be anybody.

[Arkash]

So Euron is having sex with his brother?

Wow !

[Ser Vaunt]

First he has sex with Victarion's wife and now with Victarion himself.

Well.. he certainly is one wicked devil.

Okay. I can see this happening. Vic and his dusky woman arrive with the dragon horn in front of Dany... and Vic's like, "Hey, I'm gonna marry you instead of take you back to my brother."

Then BAM Euron pops out of his dusky woman disguise and is like, "Psyche!"

And then Victarion beats himself to death.

First - that's putting the cart before the horse; she couldn't have known what Moqorro's intentions were when he and Vic entered the cabin, it's not like she knew beforehand that he was going to heal Vic. So I don't believe her anger concealed anything of importance.

Red priests have a reputation as magicians, and while many people tolerate them, some might be more fearful of them.

I kind of saw it is that Euron follows a particular spiritual path, and makes his servants do as well, and the Red God is a competing spiritual path (one that is known to burn infidels whenever they can).

I assumed it was one of these things.

I am very curious about that too. I found her hisssing reaction to the Red Priest very interesting, obviously she has a strong dislike of them, and perhaps she views that religion as evil.

In fact the dusky woman's reaction is the strongest negative reaction we have seen so far towards a Red Priest. I also found it interesting the way all the monkeys immediately abandoned ship, animals can sense evil.

They abandoned ship during the ritual to heal Vic's arm. Which strikes me as interesting, as the one time something "freaky" happened in a magic ritual, was during Mirri's blood magic ritual. Contrast with Thoros of Myr resurrecting Beric, which didn't seem to require isolation, and no one mentioned dancing shadows or spooked animals.

[Ser Lepus]

First, my serious theory: Victarion keeps telling the Dusky Woman all his "secret" plans, without realizing she can read and write, and will send a report to Euron as soon as they get back to Westeros. Victarion probably thinks she is illiterate because most common born women are, and he is too thick to realize that 1.-he doesn´t know the past and background of the woman, and 2.-she may come from a different culture were more people learn to read and write.


And now, a new crackpot theory:

Let´s remember all the different kinds of undead we have seen to date.

Fire wights-As before dying, but they lose part of their memories and personalities with each raising. Can be wounded and killed again, but after a few raisings they stop eating and sleeping.
Undying of Qarth-Don´t age or die, they seem physically weak, but retain their mind and powers.
Mirri´s zombie spell-Look as before, but can´t speak and lack free will and probably a mind at all; they do as told, or at least move in the right direction when pushed. Can be wounded and killed again. We don´t know if they need to sleep or eat.
Other´s wights-Look as blue-eyed corpses. Cant speak, but can act on their own and retain part of their skills and knowledge; presumably under the control of the Others. Can´t be killed unless burned or eaten.
Frankgregor?-Can´t speak. Under Qyburn´s control. Little more is known.

So, I see two significative features:

1.-Those zombies that lack free will can´t speak.
2.-The more lacking of human weaknesses a zombie is (wounds, sleep, food), the less human-looking they are.

So, what if all of Euron´s mutes are zombies? They are almost normal humans, like Lord Dondarrion at the beginning, but are under Euron´s control, so they can´t speak, and he cuts their tonges to hide that they are magically mute. Euron has the warlocks, and that is something he would do.