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[The Arctic Viper]

So Ghost is locked up in the LC's room, does he get out? We all know what happened to greywind can we expect something like that for ghost if jons dead dead?? I would imagine that whatever poor soul opens the door will be ripped apart, that is as long as its not mel....

[Ivy Snow]

It's not sure if Jon's dead anyway, but lets say he is. GOSH I hope Ghost can escape. Or maybe he would howl for the first time and would bring the wall down. There is some theory here that Ghost is the horn that can bring the wall down. Course that would be impossible but, there is something weird going on with him not being able to howl or make a sound.


I hope he escapes though.. tbh I think I can bare another direwolf death

[Lord Godric]

I am sure Ghost will escape.  I fully expect Jon to warg into him for a while, so for that to happen Ghost must be alive.  I wonder if Melisandre would release Ghost when she finally puts the pieces of her visions together.

[FuliginEyes]

I cannot imagine what Ghost is doing, locked in that room, while sensing what has happened to Jon and being unable to protect him.

Whoever opens the door will have one mean direwolf on his hands.

Or maybe Jon has warged into him?

Either way – if anything happens to Ghost, I don’t know how I will bear it.

[Dio Forel]

FuliginEyes, on 08 August 2011 - 12:51 AM, said:

I cannot imagine what Ghost is doing, locked in that room, while sensing what has happened to Jon and being unable to protect him.

Whoever opens the door will have one mean direwolf on his hands.

Or maybe Jon has warged into him?

Either way – if anything happens to Ghost, I don’t know how I will bear it.

The foreshadowing was there for how it is to happen.  'Man, then wolf, then man again.'  His last word was Ghost and they say that you transfer into your main warg-beasts body upon death.  I'm pretty sure Ghost is now Jon for the time being.

[Travex]

Bowen Marsh (assuming the NW is listening to him at this point) is not that much of a douche, he's not going to kill Ghost for no reason. I think that they would just let him go. Assuming Jon has perma-warged into him, this would give Mel an opportunity to transfer Jon's consciousness into another body (or possibly his old one if she is able to heal it).

[Free Northman]

Travex, on 08 August 2011 - 01:07 AM, said:

Bowen Marsh (assuming the NW is listening to him at this point) is not that much of a douche, he's not going to kill Ghost for no reason. I think that they would just let him go. Assuming Jon has perma-warged into him, this would give Mel an opportunity to transfer Jon's consciousness into another body (or possibly his old one if she is able to heal it).

The "transfer to a new body" theory is a non-starter for the simple reason that it would invalidate Jon's parentage.

Having Rhaegar Targaryen's blood in your veins isn't going to mean much if you end up in another body - which by default WON'T have Rhaegar's blood in its veins. Instead, it will have the blood of some peasant or wildling or sellsword running through its veins.

Jon HAS to retain his original body, else the mystery surrounding his parentage will be completely meaningless.

As for Ghost - he will escape in the chaos. If Martin then has Jon kill him as "Nyssa Nyssa" I will stop reading the series.

Here's hoping Daeny, also known as "Mysa (mother) is actually Nyssa Nyssa. Anything to get rid of her so that Jon can get all the limelight henceforth!

Edited by Free Northman, 08 August 2011 - 02:40 AM.

[MinotaurWarrior]

Free Northman, on 08 August 2011 - 02:40 AM, said:

The "transfer to a new body" theory is a non-starter for the simple reason that it would invalidate Jon's parentage.

Having Rhaegar Targaryen's blood in your veins isn't going to mean much if you end up in another body - which by default WON'T have Rhaegar's blood in its veins. Instead, it will have the blood of some peasant or wildling or sellsword running through its veins.

They never found the father direwolf. You can't say for sure that Rhaegar wasn't Ghost's father. Maybe that's the reason Lyanna died: one night, he, his wife, his other wife, and a direwolf were going at it. Things got out of hand, and Lyanna sustained a life-threatening injury.

[RAAM]

i dont know whether to laugh or vomit, meh, might as well do both

[Happy Ent]

My understanding of this is based on the following:

1.  He saw the Wall shining like blue crystal, and his bastard brother Jon sleeping alone in a cold bed, his skin growing pale and hard as the memory of all warmth fled from him. This is from Bran’s prophetic dream in GoT.

2. Mel’s man-wolf-man prophecy

3. Warging 101 as relayed in the prologue of DwD.

So: Jon’s essence leaves his body and enters ghost. Finally ghost is a ghost. Cool stuff.

The Jon-body is laid in a bed to die (instead of being hacked to pieces or burned). I guess Melisandre is behind that.

Melisandre reanimates/heals the Jon-body. Red priests can do that. Thoros has done it to whole bodies. Moqorro to Victarion’s arm.

Jon’s essence slips back. Any deletorious effects of reanimation to the mind (such as those visited upon Beric or Catelyn) are avoided by the warging trick.

Cool detail: I predict that Ghost will howl when Jonned.

[Fishy]

I'm kinda hoping he already broke out and will kill all the attackers in the first chapter of TWOW... It makes no sense, but it would be good and it would explain why Jon said "Ghost". Also I just love reading about Direwolves killing people just because they attack a Stark.

[Whatever]

Niello Ent, on 08 August 2011 - 04:41 AM, said:

Any deletorious effects of reanimation to the mind (such as those visited upon Beric or Catelyn) are avoided by the warging trick.

this. Please, this. I'm done with zombies

[Calibandar]

Quote

My understanding of this is based on the following:

1. He saw the Wall shining like blue crystal, and his bastard brother Jon sleeping alone in a cold bed, his skin growing pale and hard as the memory of all warmth fled from him. This is from Bran’s prophetic dream in GoT.

2. Mel’s man-wolf-man prophecy

3. Warging 101 as relayed in the prologue of DwD.

So: Jon’s essence leaves his body and enters ghost. Finally ghost is a ghost. Cool stuff.

The Jon-body is laid in a bed to die (instead of being hacked to pieces or burned). I guess Melisandre is behind that.

Melisandre reanimates/heals the Jon-body. Red priests can do that. Thoros has done it to whole bodies. Moqorro to Victarion’s arm.

Jon’s essence slips back. Any deletorious effects of reanimation to the mind (such as those visited upon Beric or Catelyn) are avoided by the warging trick.

Cool detail: I predict that Ghost will howl when Jonned.

Just to say that this is exactly what I think will happen as well.

And yes it would be cool if Ghost howled.

But in any case, Bran's prophecy coupled to Dany's prophcy of the Blue Rose growing in a chink at the base of the Wall suggests that Jon returns, it is just unclear if he will die and be resurrected by Melisandre, or if she is able to heal him before he dies. Important in all of this is indeed the prologue, and the fact that even Thoros could resurrect, whereas Mel is more powerful at the Wall than she was ever before.

Also, Mel says at the start of the Jon chapters that Jon may soon have grave need of her, and he should not scorn her.

[Winterfelon]

Dio Forel, on 08 August 2011 - 12:58 AM, said:

The foreshadowing was there for how it is to happen.  'Man, then wolf, then man again.'  His last word was Ghost and they say that you transfer into your main warg-beasts body upon death.  I'm pretty sure Ghost is now Jon for the time being.

Then back into a new body.

The dragon has three heads!


Maybe.

[Svetlana]

The Arctic Viper, on 07 August 2011 - 12:50 PM, said:

So Ghost is locked up in the LC's room, does he get out? We all know what happened to greywind can we expect something like that for ghost if jons dead dead?? I would imagine that whatever poor soul opens the door will be ripped apart, that is as long as its not mel....

The main difference is that at the Red Wedding, the Freys all knew about the plan and we're okay with it. I don't think that all the brothers agree with the idea of killing Jon, and there's still the wildlings, and they clearly outnumber the black brothers. The situation will not be under control enough for someone to think of Ghost and go ahead with killing him, IMO.

[Abel]

i think that this other skinchanger with the boar came and called jon brother is significant, too. i think he will take care that nothing happens to ghost.

[jfrenchy]

Niello Ent, on 08 August 2011 - 04:41 AM, said:

Melisandre reanimates/heals the Jon-body. Red priests can do that. Thoros has done it to whole bodies. Moqorro to Victarion’s arm.

Jon’s essence slips back. Any deletorious effects of reanimation to the mind (such as those visited upon Beric or Catelyn) are avoided by the warging trick.

Cool detail: I predict that Ghost will howl when Jonned.

i hope these last parts happen. i don't think i'd like a zombie jon or a wolf jon at all. i enjoy clear thinking human POVs the most, with the dream like wolf stuff really not at all. and as for witnessing an undead jon snow from a 3rd POV... i really hope not

[Kaitscralt]

Head cut off, sewn onto Jon's. It is known.

[Raksha the Demon]

On the one hand, Jon being dead, if only for an hour or a shorter time, can fulfill his service to the NW; if he wants to get out of the Oath after he returns.  On the other hand, I don't want ZombieJon or ReanimateJon either; I want him to perhaps warg into Ghost and let Mel heal him (bad, nearly fatal injuries) and then return to his convalescing bodies.  All merry-h*ll is probably breaking out on the Wall after Jon is struck down, I imagine Wildlings and NW and Selyse's men are killing each other or at least trying to.

Here's hoping that Jon, Ghost, and Wun Wun all survive in their proper bodies.  

[StarkofWinterfell]

Free Northman, on 08 August 2011 - 02:40 AM, said:

The "transfer to a new body" theory is a non-starter for the simple reason that it would invalidate Jon's parentage.

Having Rhaegar Targaryen's blood in your veins isn't going to mean much if you end up in another body - which by default WON'T have Rhaegar's blood in its veins. Instead, it will have the blood of some peasant or wildling or sellsword running through its veins.

Jon HAS to retain his original body, else the mystery surrounding his parentage will be completely meaningless.

As for Ghost - he will escape in the chaos. If Martin then has Jon kill him as "Nyssa Nyssa" I will stop reading the series.

Here's hoping Daeny, also known as "Mysa (mother) is actually Nyssa Nyssa. Anything to get rid of her so that Jon can get all the limelight henceforth!

Fanboyism at its strongest!

But in the event that Jon has to stay in Ghost for a prolonged period, his human body would be too far decomposed to return to.