after check my old computer,i find some orignal report here:(much details didnt show in this summray )
So jon is standing at the wall. the wall is weeping. mance rayder is led out b
ound with hempen rope. he is barefoot. he wears just roughspun, no cloak. jon
thinks that he should have his cloak patched with red that the wildling woman
mended for him. "a king should have a cloak." mance is smiling until he sees t
he cage. he says "i bend the knee!" but the noose tightens.
mel says "all men must choose." jon thinks that her voice (or breath?) smells
like "anise, nutmeg and cloves."
mance is all bloody as they carry him to the cage. then they bring forth the h
orn of joruman.
mel calls it the "horn of darkness, the hell horn." she states that it is a ba
d thing, because if it is blown the wal will fall, and the others will come th
rough. jon thinks that stannis is like stone, while mel is like fire.
stannis is wearing armor with a flame red sigil thing over his heart (this inf
o courtesy of os) it is mentioned that selyse is at eastwatch.
they throw the horn in the fire. it bursts into flame. the gold runes on the h
mance starts saying, "I'm not the king!"
jon wants to look away, but he can't, not in front of his men.
so then mance is in the cage in the fire.
jon thinks of the song "the dornishmen's wife." "now i'm (being killed) by the
dornishman's sword, but i've kissed the dornishman's wife."
then jon has his archers kill mance so he wont burn to death, as a mercy.
stannis wanted the wildings to see mance die.
jon notes that NO DRAGONS came from the flame. "so much for king's blood" (he
mel says "None can withstand his flame! Free folks! your false gods didn't sav
e you, your false king didn't either"
stannis wields lightbringer. it's brighter than anyone has ever seen. jon then
thinks, "is THIS the power of king's blood?"
mel starts a chant "one realm one god one king!"
stannis says something like "if you kneel you live. if you go you die"
stannis says "open the gates!" his men echo him and then dolorous edd opens th
e gate. mel says if you come through these gates you will find life.
stannis men's (queen's men?) give pieces of weirwood to each person as they pa
ss through. one woman with 2 kids runs away towards the hills. one old man tak
es his wood and uses it as a weapon against the men. they stab and kill him. t
he others walk around the body.
jon sees shadows of mel and stannis large on the wall.
the new magnar (son of the old magnar of thenn) is the first to kneel. then ra
ttleshirt. hornfoot people, alfred croweater's son, harma's sister (?), milkwa
ter people, all kneel. (again courtesy of os ) food and clothing is waiting f
or them on the other side of the wall. jon thinks that the game is methodical.
wildlings go thru gate.
alliser comes up to jon and mutters "the wildlings hate us." jon silences him
with a look (yay!) but the look between them is thick with loathing. jon thin
ks he needs to deal with alliser before alliser deals with him.
jon thinks of the whole thing as a "royal mummers show." and thinks of mel as
stannis' "red shadow."
jon had bowen marsh rip down the stockades and burn them with the bodies. (aga
in, os' info)
conversation with bowen marsh and jon: bowen says that they are saying that jo
n is a warg and that he is loyal to the wildlings, and gave them the wall.
stannis is going to make rattleshirt a Lord with a Castle. jon thinks that jus
t like that, he is the lord of bones again...
bowen says they are saying that jon wants to help stannis usurp the iron thron
e and turn the NW into traitors.
much talk about how everyone fears tywin lannister (no one knows about his acc
ident on the privy yet )
stannis commands jon to attend him. jon thinks that since he is LC stannis mig
ht be more respectful to him but he goes anyway.
he goes to kings tower. there are people there. Rattleshirt (back to lord of b
ones) is there. he wears a thick bracelet with a ruby set in it. all queen's m
en with fiery hearts are around stannis. no king's men.
they discuss taking back the north. stannis wants to strike immediately and us
e the wildlings as warriors. jon says NW wont fight, obviously. stannis says h
e only wants them to supply them with arms. spears, armor and hauberks. jon is
not happy about this. he says they have no armorer since donal nye died.
stannis will leave valla in jon's care. jon says that women can fight. stannis
is clearly against this idea. lord meadows (?) says that camp followers just
slow them down. jon insists that they are spearwives, not camp followers.
so stannis says he is going to take winterfell and raise his banner there. the
n he wants to attack the dreadfort and get the bastard of bolton. he says the
karstarks will help him. roose is still down south.
few details to add to lyannas post:
mance *is* proud and deifant at first untill he sees the cage and then he pani
the horns ruins *do* glow as it burns
stannis and mel gives a speech about 'look at your king now. look at your horn
now" to break their spirit
then mel and her followers start screaming "One kingdom one god one king" over
and over. Martin made me jump a foot in the air when he read this part becaus
e he bellowed it out lol
when jon has mance killed that was *not* what stannis wanted. he ordered the b
rothers to shoot them.
then stannis tells the wildings they have a choice. join him or leave (the cap
tains can join or die. the common people can leave). whoever martin makes a bi
g deal out of how the wildigns are starving and in rags. And so most accept th
e offer. alot of times we hear how 'onion soup for freedom' etc. onion soup wa
iting on the other side of the wall
What happens is all the wildings who want to come south of the wall.. or want
any food to eat.. have to step fowards and burn a piece of wierwood and bend t
he kneee to stannis.
as stated lord of bones the new thenn etc bend the knee and are to be made lor
ds by stannis.
accoridng to martin about one in 10 of the captured free folk went back into t
he forst rather then join stannis and bend the knee etc. The giants all stay b
ehind because the mamoths wont fit through the wall. and when they find this o
ut one giant refuses because of this. and when he refuses the others all refus
e also (a new king of the giants?)
stannis warns that if the free folk who take up his offer ever ocme back to ma
ke war on the wall they will be killed.
then jon has a long talk with bowen marsh who seems to be acting surprisingly
loyal and helpfull. HE warns how thorne and others are spreaidng rumros about
jon. How he is letting the wildings through and is stannis catspaw. that he is
a wilding ath eart etc etc. its hard to sotmach standing by and letting the f
ree folk through. and resentment is spreading. Jon comments he should stick th
orne in the kitchen slicing onions and marsh responds 'not if you plan on ever
eating onions again' or something like that.
Marsh also warns that others are spreaidng rumros etc besides thorne and the o
marsh then is ordered ot help with his stewards (see lya's post for what they
are doing. there were 200 brothers with jon outside the wall btw). And jon goe
s with dolouress edd back through the wall. edd is his gaurd.
we have some great humor but i wont do justice for ed lol. but the entire room
wasl aughing aloud when it was read!!
when jon exits the gate he is surrounded by queensmen and taken to stannis. Jo
n notes how the gaurds order him to come they dont request.
one note: Davos is not mentioned *At all* in this chapter. dont know the meani
ng of this. this is the *Second* jon chapter. but it seemed worthy of note.
jon gets to stannis meeting room and its stannis, mel, lord of bones the new m
agnar an a bunch of queens men. Jon notes how there are no kingsmen at all in
stannis' councils. only queens men. Again.. no mention of davos. though his so
n devan is mentioned
Also big cool hint!!!!::: SOmewhere along this itme jon thinks how much he wis
hed he had maester aemon to give him council. But that sam aemon and gilly wer
e all still at sea. Big spoiler eh?
anyway. stannis tells jon his plan which is to march with his new host. Wich i
ncludes 300 wildings now... (jon asks him to take the spear wives stannis says
'i iwll never take woman on campaign. never' jon argues but loses. *I* think
the spearwives will end up helping jon somehow. but the spearwives nad other w
ildings are ot be left at the wall). Stannis also demands arms and armor for t
he 300 wilding warriors.
This worrys jon because the only reason the watch can beat the freefolk is wea
posn and trianing. and stannis is giving both to them. and the brothers wont l
ike it. he gives in and agrees to arm the wildings with spears. but he refuses
to give them armour claiming there isnt enough left with noye dead. stannis d
ismisses it and claims the wildings will get armour from those they kill
Along the way we have alot of stannis captains (lord medow is one the other na
mes slip my mind) making snide comments behind jons back. We also learn selyse
is at eastwatch still and that all the watches builders are working on the ni
ghtfort with some of stannis men but that repairs are 6 months from being comp
Stannis means to use this time to his advantag.e he is worried about people th
inking tywin will mop him up (they dont know tywin is dead yet). Likewise with
the ironmen dead and bolton not back he wants to strike while the striking is
Stannis explains his plan. HE will command reserves. the iwldings will be the
van. He lsits tow other captains who command his lfanks. Lord Medows will stay
behind with 100 men at the wall to keep track of stannis' intrests at the wal
meanwhile according to the plan proposed lord stannis will march down the king
sroad to winterfell and reoccupy the castle. then he will move on the dreadfor
t meeting up with lord karstark who apparently has entered an alliance with st
HEre is an area i am confused with. Stannis has made an allaicne with rickard
karstarks *uncle* an old man who has had many dead wives. I could be wrong but
i tihnk he is referred to as the lord of karhold despite the one surviving ka
anyway that aside. the plan is karstark and stannis meet up and sieze the drea
dfort. after stannis takes winterfell and then in thanks for dealing iwth the
betrayer bolton.. as well as rallying aorund the 'new lord of winterfell' the
north falls into stannis lap.
jon at this point thinks to himself "I am sworn not to take sides in the confl
ict." he paused and then thinks "But talking isnt fighting". He speaks up..ear
ning scathing comments from the captains..that stannis plan is ludicrouse.
He claims that 800 years ago a stark king whose name i dont remember besieged
rebelling obltons and it took 4 years for the dreadfort to fall. bolton would
arrive before stannis wins. when the captains are skeptical 'no man has ever t
kane then moat' jon says *from the south* HE then also declares htat the north
erners would never ever accept a southern lordling ruling from winterfell. He
then goes on to declare that if stannis marches into the north with a wilding
army the north will unite agaisnth im. that htey dislike the boltons but the e
nemity iwth the free folk is eons old. and the first reaction of every norther
ner will be ot throw the wildings back no matter what. and they would rather h
ave a bolton then wildings. and they are tired of war and dont want to joiin a
Jon adds that stannis owuld never make it to winterfell either. that ravens fl
y faster hten men and the nroth will know he marches iwth wildings and rise up
. That fighting the free folk is in the blood of the umbers whose land stannis
owuld have to pass through. and hte momment stannis ocmes osuth with wildings
every umber man there is will sadle up and ride agaisnt stannis.
one of stannis men expresses scorn going 'an umber side with a bolton?' and i
ofrget the exact thing that leads ot the ocmment but someone says that the umb
ers wont act cause the greatjon is a prisoner.
then one of stannis captains responds with soemthing like 'well if the greatjo
n dies the uncles can take over so they will help us." and jon looks at the gu
y with scorn ad goes 'is that what you would do? and the greajon has sons. and
nayway it is in their blood to fight the free folk'
at this point stannis stands up and says he wants to talk to the lord commande
r and bids all his captains ot leave. we have lastm intue descripotiosn fo wha
t all the captains do (one jests one downs his wine etc0 before they leave. jo
n ntoes this order doesnt seem to apply to mel.
stannis then goes on how his brother always won his battles by being bold. but
now that he tihnks of it ned stark was laways there to tmeper his boldness wi
th caution. but that stanis must act now whilke he has the oppurtunity and his
enemies are disorganized.
jon agian thinks 'should i talk? i cant takesides. but talking isnt fighting'
im a little unsure of what comes first here but at one point stannis presses j
on to accept his offer of winterfell yet again. and jon declines yet again. an
d says he wouldnt accept even if he wasnt lord commander. stannis gnashes his
teeth at this. he asks if jon wants tyrion urling winterfell with his sister c
owering at his feet. and then explains he has no intention of giving winterfel
l to a osuthern lordling. he claims it will go to the karstark.. the uncle.. s
omeone with some stark blood. who while he is old has many sons lol. this anno
ys jon but he holds his tongue
stannis adds that lord karstark is ocnvinced the dreadfort will fall. and that
the manderlys iwll join
jon has the 'should i geti nvolved' thought and he then proposes the plan to a
nd attakc deepwood motte. By doing this jon explains stannis will be attakcing
the ironmen. not northmen. and for that mostn orthmen will forgive him having
a wilding army. and he can reahc it by going through the mountains. thus avoi
ding the umbers who owuld attack no matter what. jon then goes into a lengthy
explanaiton ofthe mountain clans. his eddard called them lrods but hteir own p
eople call them 'the norry the locke' etc. stannis asks if htey would support
him. jon responds that one group (forget wich) deifnitly owuld if he attacked
the ironborn. and the noreys who stannis must pass through would leave him alo
ne. he points out the mountian clans are proud. and that hwne his father toure
d among htem they lvoed ot feast him. so they wil lrmeain neuturaul...if.. and
he hesitates and looks at mel... stannis didnt toruble their gods. they worsh
ip the old gods and wont tolerate the trees being burned.
mel respodns htey can keep their trees and stay in the dark. besides.. she won
t begoing. she will be staying at the wall. jon thinks then that this menas sh
e will really be in charge not medow.
They also discuss how they can take a mountian pass to deepwood. the umbers wo
uld ifght stannis no matter what. Stnanis is skeptical of the 'goat track' but
j on points out that the young dragon won his battle with one. And stannis rep
lys it was ships that won the war for the young dragon. how the hips let his t
roops sieze everythign to the green blood river while the main dornish force w
as up in the princres pass fighting him. cool spoilers on that war.
at this point it bcoems accepted stannis will attakc the ironborn to iwn credu
biltiy. and give depewood motte back to its rightfull northern lords.
mel then warns jon that he has manhy enemys. to wich jon responds "i know" and
she goes she had seen it in the fire and oculd tell him *who* to wich jon res
podns he already knows who. Then stannis warns him that its not the people you
know are your enemys you must fear but the enemy who smiles at you.
Edited by ccxx, 27 January 2006 - 02:48 PM.