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[Yagathai]

http://www.raintaxi....mmer/card.shtml

Wow.  So, pro-bowlderization, and Hamlet's dad turned everyone gay with the power of molesting children.

[SkynJay]

Despite knowing I would like it, I have avoided Ender's Game completely because of the idiot behind it.  This is just one more reason for me to skip over his little section of the bookstore.

edit:  These tags are new right? Never noticed them before.  Spiffy.

Edited by SkynJay, 06 September 2011 - 08:30 AM.

[Lupigis]

Wow indeed! I found this quote from Publishers Weekly on Amazon:

"The writing and pacing have the feel of a draft for a longer and more introspective work that might have fleshed out Hamlet's indecision and brooding; instead, the focus is primarily on linking homosexuality with the life-destroying horrors of pedophilia, a focus most fans of possibly bisexual Shakespeare are unlikely to appreciate."

Just when you thought nothing could surprise you...

[Lian]

The whole "gay people are pedophiles/child molesters" is Scott Card's main theme? I'm really impressed with his intellectual prowess

[Lummel]

Fantastic!  I can't wait for the rest of the series so lets guess what highlights are coming:

Anthony & Cleopatra.  Well Anthony is gay obviously, which is why Cleopatra kills herself and why they get beaten by Octavian.

Macbeth.  Macbeth is gay which is why he wears a skirt.  And also why he kills.

Henry V.  The Lords and Bishops tell Henry to forget all this salic law business - the King of France is gay and he's turned his whole army gay - victory is assured!  Cry havoc and let slip the gaydar of war!

Othello.  Iago tricks Cassio into telling Othello that Desdamona thinks he's gay so he has to kill her.


The sonnets might need a bit more of an overhaul though...

Edited by Lummel, 06 September 2011 - 09:13 AM.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Wow, has Card gone off the deep end.

[Selmy]

Ser Scot A Ellison, on 06 September 2011 - 08:50 AM, said:

Wow, has Card gone off the deep end.

Pretty sure he went off the deep end a long long time ago.

[Harry the Heir]

Yeah, Scott Card has been a raging homophobe for 20+ years; but it seems like the barrier between his strident right-wing views and his published fiction has been breaking down in the past few years.

[Horza]

Yeah, this isn't inconsistent with any of his output over the last decade or so.

[Grack21]

Card started going apeshit bananas in the last 90s, and its been spiraling down sense. None of this is really new, he just doesn't even pretend to hide it now. (Not that he did a good job before, but at least he tried). The only difference now is he throws in the islamaphobia.

[Xray the Enforcer]

I can't believe that Subterranean Press went along with it.
Hot damn! They did. http://www.subterran...roduct_Count=36

Edited by Xray the Enforcer, 06 September 2011 - 11:15 AM.

[manmiles]

As I read this article, my jaw dropped so far, it's now downstairs.

[Galactus]

Oh, another ballhornization.

[Ampersand]

Can we all just pretend Ender's Game was written by a different person?

[Grack21]

Ampersand, on 06 September 2011 - 06:53 PM, said:

Can we all just pretend Ender's Game was written by a different person?

NOt if you read it when your older and understand what that crazy fucker is trying to say.

I'm kind of GLAD he wrote this Hamlet monstrosity, now when people try to tell me Card isn't homophobic I can hold this up....and then hit them with it.

[Seli]

Xray the Enforcer, on 06 September 2011 - 11:10 AM, said:

I can't believe that Subterranean Press went along with it.
Hot damn! They did. http://www.subterran...roduct_Count=36

It seems they are catching some flak for it, strangely they did not expect it.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Grack21,

Grack21, on 06 September 2011 - 09:25 PM, said:

NOt if you read it when your older and understand what that crazy fucker is trying to say.

I'm kind of GLAD he wrote this Hamlet monstrosity, now when people try to tell me Card isn't homophobic I can hold this up....and then hit them with it.

For those of us who didn't read Ender's Game when we were older please enlighten us with what Card was actually trying to say.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Oh, BTW, here is Scott Lynch's response to the very heterosexual Orson Scott Card who is not gay:

http://scott-lynch.l...com/265746.html

[mjgambino]

"Stop right there," said Henry. "You are very pretty, but from now on you must speak English like Jesus did."

---best line ever

[SerFelixCulpa]

Grack21, on 06 September 2011 - 09:25 PM, said:

NOt if you read it when your older and understand what that crazy fucker is trying to say.

I'm kind of GLAD he wrote this Hamlet monstrosity, now when people try to tell me Card isn't homophobic I can hold this up....and then hit them with it.

Ser Scot A Ellison, on 07 September 2011 - 04:49 AM, said:

Grack21,

For those of us who didn't read Ender's Game when we were older please enlighten us with what Card was actually trying to say.

I think Grack21 was probably getting at the points made in this article:

http://www4.ncsu.edu.../Killer_000.htm

Weirdly, I agree with the article author's thesis and interpretation of OSC, and still think Ender's Game is a good book.

OSC was always off the reservation, but at the very least, he used to be off the reservation in an interesting and artistically valid way. One need not agree with a writer's philosophy or outlook to agree that the writer wrote a good, even great piece of fiction.  Unfortunately, if it was not clear before, it is very clear now that OSC is no longer capable of doing this.

Edited by SerFelixCulpa, 07 September 2011 - 10:24 AM.