Davos and a Kraken Horn?

[HodorSaysHodor]

Please forgive if this subject has been brought up before, but so far I haven’t found anything about it, and the search function isn’t working for me. Since I read all 5 books in quick succession, many things from the previous books were still fresh in my mind. I’m not sure if this should even go here since it deals with A Storm of Swords, but I checked all of the page threads under that title and there aren’t any that talk about this…

During the Battle on the Blackwater, Lord Ardrian Celtigar, of Claw Isle, had fought for Stannis Baratheon. As soon as his ships were taken by KL men, he quickly bent the knee for Joffrey. This greatly pisses off Ser Axell Florent, who comes up with a plan to use Salladhor Saan’s fleet of ships to go and sack Claw Isle, to exact retribution for Lord Celtigar’s defection.

A Storm of Swords - page 493 (paperback)

“Claw Isle was but lightly garrisoned, its castle reputedly stuffed with Myrish carpets, Volantene glass, gold and silver plate, jeweled cups, magnificent hawks, an axe of Valyrian steel, a horn that could summon monsters from the deep, chests of rubies, and more wines than a man could drink in a hundred years.”

Davos thinks this is a horrible idea and manages to talk Stannis out of doing it, saying that old men, women and children had nothing to do with Lord Celtigar’s actions, and they shouldn’t have to pay for them with their lives. Later on, Davos runs into Salla and asks him if he’s forgiven him.

A Storm of Swords - page 729 (paperback)

“The old pirate wagged a finger at him. “Forgiving, yes. Forgetting, no. All that good gold on Claw Isle that might have been mine, it makes me old and tired to think of it. When I die impoverished, my wives and concubines will curse you, Onion Lord. Lord Celtigar had many fine wines that now I am not tasting, a sea eagle he had trained to fly from the wrist, and a magic horn to summon krakens from the deep. Very useful such a horn would be, to pull down Tyroshi and other vexing creatures. But do I have this horn to blow? No, because the king made my old friend his Hand.”

A Kraken Horn?! So far, we know that Sam is at the Citadel in Oldtown, with the suspected horn of Joramun, which supposedly has the power to bring the Wall down. We also know that Victarion is currently on his way to Daenerys, with a horn that can summon dragons. But I’ve seen no mention of this kraken horn (on the forum), which could cause much misery to the Ironborn if it should wind up in the wrong hands… such as Dany’s (if she wants to regain control of her dragons, for instance). Also, Theon and Asha could use it to take down Euron’s entire fleet.

Thoughts?

[Chatayas]

Summoning and controlling are two different things. If they summon krakens, the monsters might destroy all ships at sea, not just the ones the summoner wants to destroy. However, it could be like the dragon horn, which is for summoning and binding. I had forgotten about that horn though, so thanks for bringing it up. I wonder if it will play any role in the upcoming books.

[The Dornishman's Wife]

... three horns must you sound... one for giants and one for krakens and one for dragons

I find it interesting that all the magic horns we know are for summoning (& possibly binding) mythical creatures. Yes, Joramun's horn was also supposed to help the wildlings to bring the wall down somehow, but it's definitely said to summon giants from the earth (and maybe it's only them who'd win the wall). With the other horns gearing up to play a role, the kraken horn might play one too.

Wildly speculating: Maybe each head of the dragon will be associated with one horn? Jon (through Sam) with the Horn of Winter, Dany (through Victarion) with Dragonbinder. The kraken horn for the thrid head?

[Ser Zartan]

Does anyone know who has control of Claw Isle now? Seeing as Stannis is in the North and the Tyrells/Lannisters have seemingly taken Dragonstone, presumably Lord Celtigar is in charge there again? Salladhor might try to loot the place anyway now that he's struck out on his own again. Having a horn to summon krakens would be an interesting addition to the naval balance of power. I can't see krakens playing as big a role as dragons, but having one or two pop up would fit in nicely with magic returning to the world.

[dragginstoned]

From ASoS, page 257 my version

The eunuch drew a parchment from his sleeve. “A kraken has been seen off the Fingers.”

He giggled. “Not a Greyjoy, mind you, a true kraken. It attacked an Ibbenese whaler and

pulled it under. There is fighting on the Stepstones, and a new war between Tyrosh and

Lys seems likely. Both hope to win Myr as ally. Sailors back from the Jade Sea report

that a three-headed dragon has hatched in Qarth, and is the wonder of that city—

So... krakens may well exist. Does this inform the discussion?

[HodorSaysHodor]

I find it interesting that all the magic horns we know are for summoning (& possibly binding) mythical creatures. Yes, Joramun's horn was also supposed to help the wildlings to bring the wall down somehow, but it's definitely said to summon giants from the earth (and maybe it's only them who'd win the wall). With the other horns gearing up to play a role, the kraken horn might play one too.

Wildly speculating: Maybe each head of the dragon will be associated with one horn? Jon (through Sam) with the Horn of Winter, Dany  (through Victarion) with Dragonbinder. The kraken horn for the thrid head?

There are so many different ways this could play out... but, the ones that keep coming to mind is 'someone' using the Kraken horn to keep the Ironborn in-check OR Victarion using the horn to bring Euron down. Summoning giants, dragons and krakens also seems like a good way to fight the Others - the krakens could take care of the "dead things in the water", for instance. ;)

[HodorSaysHodor]

From ASoS, page 257 my version

The eunuch drew a parchment from his sleeve. “A kraken has been seen off the Fingers.”

He giggled. “Not a Greyjoy, mind you, a true kraken. It attacked an Ibbenese whaler and

pulled it under. There is fighting on the Stepstones, and a new war between Tyrosh and

Lys seems likely. Both hope to win Myr as ally. Sailors back from the Jade Sea report

that a three-headed dragon has hatched in Qarth, and is the wonder of that city—

So... krakens may well exist.  Does this inform the discussion?

Well, I'm confused... which is nothing new. Didn't this topic come and go, and now it's been revived? Did a Red Priest kiss it? How does this happen?

BTW, I lurve your new avie. Does Hodor have a posse now? Where do I sign up?

[The Great Cornholio!]

RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!!!!

Sorry...had to say it.

[Glyn Tarvoke]

Thank you HSH. Seems to me that like any good chessplayer, Mr. Martin has left himself plenty of good options including the one you point out with the kraken summoning horn. Maybe Aurane Waters went to Claw Island with his ten dromonds. Possible if one looks at the map I suppose.

[HodorSaysHodor]

Thank you HSH.  Seems to me that like any good chessplayer, Mr. Martin has left himself plenty of good options including the one you point out with the kraken summoning horn.  Maybe Aurane Waters went to Claw Island with his ten dromonds. Possible if one looks at the map I suppose.

I'm not sure how many people actually know what's on Claw Isle, or even how Salla and Davos know about it, so I can't say if Aurane knows what's there. As far as GRRM goes, the fact that we're now on Book 5 and the plot mysteries have continued to multiply and expand, I just can't see him being able to wrap this up in 2 more books. My guestimate is three, minimum, and that's with heavy editing. :uhoh:

[Lord Damian]

At the End of ADwD, Davos had already left for his destination given to him by Whiteharbor. I am curious as to his journey and the things he encounterd.

[GreenHand]

If one can only summon Krakens with the Horn and you are in flight on Dragonback then you don't need to actually control the Kraken. It will destroy your enemies below while you remain out of its reach above.

[GreenHand]

HodorSaysHodor, you're right. Varys' report of a Kraken is given alongside other reports which we know to be true.

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If it occurred in the fingers, would it really be a stretch to assume that Littlefinger knows about it, possibly from a first hand account.

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Lord Celtigar is still in Kings Landing being diplomatic with the Iron Throne. Lord Celtigar is old, should we take that to mean that he has children that could take the horn into the field. There was a knight bearing its device (the red crabs) at the Battle of Blackwater (killed Balon Swann's horse). But many Houses lost their heirs in the War of the Five Kings. Are there any young Celtigars that might wield the Kraken Horn?

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We have heard snatches of this war on the Shepstones. There are hints that it is currently populated by pirates (a pirate king?) and that Aurane Waters is headed there. Aurane Waters is from Driftmark which is very close to the Celtigars' Claw Isle. It is immanently possible that the passed by home and even seized the horn before heading for the Shepstones.

[The Mother of The Others]

What I haven't seen mentioned is that the sea horn may already have been used against Salador Sahn's fleet and that's why they all got smashed against the shore at the start of the book. (The storm).

Now adding in this Aurane angle ^^ makes it newly interesting, though I didn't get the impression Aurane "knew what he was doing" all that much. But he did know enough to realize he only had 9 ships and needed to look for something to give him more of an advantage..... But is he a believer in wacky stuff like magic horns?

My best previous notion about the horn is that it should be recovered by Davos on his trip and given to Stannis as a way of saying sorry for impoverishing him or whatever. Stannis then gives the horn to Asha & Theon because it's their birthright as the Kraken family. (And because they're his sea allies and the horn is useless on land). Then, when Euron gets a dragon or whatever, the Drowned God trumps the Fire God when a kraken drags the dragon down into the depths and smashes Euron's fleet. That way the sea god would rebound from how Euron and Victarion are kind of dissing him. And the rightful rulers (those approved by Damphair) would proove their worthiness to wear the driftwood crown by getting the endorsement of their kingly mascot, the living Kraken. (I also want Patchface to die in this kraken incident, but that may be asking for too much).

[Lord Damian]

It might be that only certain bloodlines can effectively get the horns to act /effect according to their purpose. Greyjoys- only ones to call the Krakens, Starks - sound the Horn of Winter. Targs/Valerians - Dragon Horn.

[tearloch]

Its kind of interesting the think about the elemental nature of these horns: You have the dragon horn (fire) - summons / binds dragons Kraken horn (water) - summons / binds? krakens Horn of Joruman (sp?) (earth) - summons / binds giants Now all we need is a wind horn....and what would it summon?

Maybe it is tied to the Vale? With their sky motief? If you link houses with the horns, I mean...Targ/dragon/fire; Greyjoy/kraken/water; Stark/giants/earth (a stretch, but); Arryn/??/wind (or sky)

However, I am keeping my fingers crossed that this would not lead to:

"One horn to rule them all!" :bang:

[GreenHand]

That the storm might be due to Kraken action. Very intriguing. If one blows the horn, how many Krakens would respond? If a large number of now agitated Krakens rose at once, I would think that that definitely has the potential to cause mega-storms.

The Idea of a Horn tied to the element of air is also interesting.

[GreenHand]

The Idea of a Horn tied to the element of air is also interesting.

We know that the last of the Mountain Kings of the First Men to rule in the Vale was called the Griffin King. He was defeated by an Andal and the first Arryn called the Ser Artys Arryn the Winged Knight who supposedly rode on the back of a Giant Falcon to the top of Giants Lance peak where the (?last?) Griffin King was slain by him.

In light of this story and the Griffin connection with the Mountain Kings it's curious that the other reference to the forgotten Griffin (a real creature?) is Griffin's Roost, the seat of House Connington, is deep in the Storm Lands, not in the Vale.

[GreenHand]

Back to the essence of this thread...

If anyone is to seize the Kraken Horn, and only the Kraken Horn, without sacking and dispoiling Claw Isle by force of arms it would be Davos. He is a smuggler after all, an operative of Stealth.

Actually no I lie. The other person who is perfectly suited to it is Varys and his birds. Don't forget is was Varys who mentions the Ibbenese Whaler that was pulled under by a Kraken off the Fingers of the the Vale.

Unfortunately I don't foresee a Davos-Varys collaboration.

As a bannerman to Dragonstone Stannis could simple demand or purchase the horn if he has a little more success and money (from the Iron Bank of Braavos?) showing him to be a viable contender in the War of Five Kings.

[Ser Few of the Fingers]

Sorry to resurrect this thread, but isn't it possible that Ser Loras Tyrell got hold of the Kraken Horn? We are supposed to believe that he was severely injured at the siege of Dragonstone (which is very close to the Claw Isle). Butt There is a theory which says that he is actually heading to the Shield Islands to repel the Ironborn, and that the whole injury thing was just a way to distract Cersei. If this is true, then a Kraken Horn would fit him very nicely.