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[The Girl in Winterfell]

I used to love R+L=J, now I hate it.
I don't want segret Targs, Dany is more than enough Targ for me.

[Arrogant Bastard]

I would say Jaqen being Syrio. I think it negates Syrio's sacrifice and also just doesn't make a whole of sense to me. Plus, after I think the last thing the series needs is another character thought to be dead that comes back.

[dragginstoned]

put me down for Benjen = Coldhands.  I'm so done with that

[brashcandy]

Hmmm, I too hate the Tyrion as Targ theory, plus the idea that the Others are just misunderstood.

[Knight of Ashes]

Any of Tywin's kids being a Targ.

[ARYa_Nym]

The Others are the good guys. Bran or Jon is going to work with them.

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  I don't like how some are trying to make Brandon Stark seem like a bad guy. He helped Ned out with Ashara. I need more proof that he slept with the girl that he knows his little brother liked and impregnated her. I admit that it's possible but I don't like the assumption.  I prefer Brandon to Ned. He seemed like a fun guy.

[fassreiter]

Timur Khal, on 28 September 2011 - 09:47 PM, said:

I agree with the whole Tyrion paternity thing; it ruins the Lannister family dynamic and makes it a lot more shallow (it is so much more morbid and actually meaningful when the answer isn't 'oh, he only hates him since he's a Targ'), it also doesn't quite make sense, and that 'everyone gets a dragon' thing is just plain irritating. Dragons are incarnations of one of the polar opposite forces of destruction that play so large a part in these novels...not a pony. Also is in the form of an agressive and super-lethal feral animal. Also not a pony.

Other than that...
Jon Snow will become PTWP, AA, get the girl (Dany), save the day, and ride into the sunset. Too much spontaneous "free passes" from nowhere, and it in a way would spoil the realism that made everyone else's deaths mean something. Jon turning into an even more angsty version of Harry Potter, but with a flaming sword and dragons to boot...just too much.

Best post I ever read. Thank you. Especially concerning the pony - exactly!

[graidis]

I really dislike R+L=J

[Taelorn]

Rinso, on 29 September 2011 - 12:25 AM, said:

And any theory that involves Dany winning the Iron Throne at the end makes my skin crawl.

I must say that I was pretty opposed to her sitting on the throne again, but as the books progress I am beginning to see this more as redemption story for the Targ family. Don't really like it either.

[seanbean4lyfe]

Rinso, on 29 September 2011 - 12:25 AM, said:

I used to hate the R+L=J theory with a passion, but now I'm pretty Zen about it. If GRRM wants to do such a lame thing, my annoyance won't really change a thing.

I also severely dislike the idea of Tyrion Targaryen.

And any theory that involves Dany winning the Iron Throne at the end makes my skin crawl.

100% agree.

[Nausicaä]

ARYa_Nym, on 30 September 2011 - 06:42 PM, said:

The Others are the good guys. Bran or Jon is going to work with them.

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  I don't like how some are trying to make Brandon Stark seem like a bad guy. He helped Ned out with Ashara. I need more proof that he slept with the girl that he knows his little brother liked and impregnated her. I admit that it's possible but I don't like the assumption.  I prefer Brandon to Ned. He seemed like a fun guy.

Spoiler

I agree. I'm not sure I prefer Brandon to Ned, but I really liked him from Catelyn's recollections and am not convinced he was a douche. Also, I will go down with Catelyn/Brandon ship. He may have loved Lady Dustin, but I'm sure he came to love Cat as well in the end. I don't think he would cheat on her with the girl his little brother liked just before their wedding. If he was the cheating type, why would the day Lady Dustin learned he were to wed Catelyn their last day together? Couldn't he have continued to be with the girl he loved for the four years he was engaged to Cat?

Another one I hate: the Others are not the good guys, but Bran or Jon is going to work with them.

[The Oncoming Storm]

Well, it's a prophecy so it's likely to happen, but I would really hate it if Dany would go through all that "slayer of lies" stuff. Leave my Stannis alone! <3

[Tyrionthebest]

Alcanis Ivennil, on 01 October 2011 - 08:13 AM, said:

Well, it's a prophecy so it's likely to happen, but I would really hate it if Dany would go through all that "slayer of lies" stuff. Leave my Stannis alone! <3

Yes me too . I hate Dany with a passion and the least favorite theories of mine are the ones where she lives .

[Alexia]

1) Dany/Jon shipping.  I just don't get it and there is NO evidence to support it other than wishful thinking.
2) Tyrion is a Targaryen.  Just...
3) Jeyne Westerling is pregnant.  Unless it is for watching Sansa and the other Stark children cut the child out of the Stark inheritance, no thank you.

[oba]

1.  Tyrion Targaryen is definitely my least favorite theory, although the "Jaime saw a fake Jeyne Westerling and the real Jeyne is pregnant with Robb's baby" is a close second and rapidly gaining ground.

[Winterfell is Burning]

Verboten, on 28 September 2011 - 11:05 PM, said:

I don't mind R+L=J, but I hate the way most people who support the theory seem to assume that Rhaegar and Lyanna were in love. I think Rhaegar being so obsessed with prophecy that he was willing to kidnap one of the daughters of the Great Houses in order to rape her until she conceived a child is far more plausible and interesting. I also find it funny 'cause with the naming scheme of his children he was probably planning on naming the kid Visenya.

Same here.

I hate Aerys is Tyrion's father as well.

Spoiler

This new Brandon theory, that he was a major douche, sucks too. One thing is being a womanizer, the other is sleeping with the girl Ned likes just because. I mean, Robert might screw every woman in the realm, but he never, ever would do this, or sleep with Catelyn.
Plus Ashara's story is much better, and much more tragic as well, if Ned is the one that she loved, and her child's father.

Dany winning the Iron Throne or marrying Jon would suck too.

And "SanSan should be a couple, marry and live together happily ever after" is perhaps even worse than all of those. I don't see how any reasonable human being think that could be a good and healthy relationship. A 13 year old girl that has been a prisioner for the last two years and had to see her family dying with a disfigured murderer that considered the possibility of raping her just because he was a nice jailer to her? YAY!

Edited by Winterfell is Burning, 01 October 2011 - 08:49 AM.

[LadyMary]

There's a new one that I just can't get and really dislike: The Children of the Forest and the Others are one and the same.

And I agree about A+J=Ty.  The fact that Tywin wanted a reason to get rid of Tyrion and was trying to prove Joanna's infidelity so he could disclaim him, the fact that Genna and Tyrion both remarked on how similar Tyrion was to Tywin - at least mentally, makes that story much more dramatic than if it turns out Tyrion was Aerys' bastard due to rape.

It would be more ironic if it turns of Aerys was Jaime's real father which is why Aerys wanted to make him a KG - not just to tweak Tywin, but to keep his own bastard with him - only to have his own bastard kill him (making Jaime a Kingslayer and a kinslayer). It would also be ironic that Tywin's true Lannister children are not really Lannisters. But I don't even think that's true. If Aerys had raped Joanna to sire Jaime and Cersei, wouldn't he have been more eager to marry Rhaegar to a half-Targ Cersei and wouldn't he have told Jaime that he was his real father just to screw with his head?

[Hound's She-wolf]

Roose Bolton, on 29 September 2011 - 02:06 AM, said:

Agree entirely with the A+J=T hate. The notion that Tyrion is Tywin writ small is such an important theme of their relationship; to have it simply reduced to "oh, Tyrion never was Tywin's to start with" ruins the dynamic.

(By contrast, I have a soft spot for A+J=J&C, because at that point you are entering into some delightful irony).

I dislike R+L=J, but am largely resigned to it.

I don't think I'll toss the books into the grill, but if A&J=T it'll be a huge let down if Tyrion isn't Tywin's, because it is so much more painful that it is his own father doing all that horrible stuff to him.
I would love if A+J=J&C because then that means Tyrion is Tywin's only child, Tywin would be rolling in his grave because the twisted little monkey demon really is his progeny, his only child and the two beautiful twins are actually Targs. And then both Tyrion and Jaime killed their own father.
I haven't read any Ned and Lyanna crap, and I'm glad I haven't because that's just stupid.

[Nausicaä]

LadyMary, on 01 October 2011 - 09:56 AM, said:

But I don't even think that's true. If Aerys had raped Joanna to sire Jaime and Cersei, wouldn't he have been more eager to marry Rhaegar to a half-Targ Cersei and wouldn't he have told Jaime that he was his real father just to screw with his head?

A few points:
1. I think that if this theory is true, no one knew about the bastardy but Joanna. If she was raped, it must have happened shortly after her wedding night, so either Tywin or Aerys could have been the father and when the twins came out looking all Lannister-y, Joanna and Aerys might have put the idea that they are his out of their minds. That is, if Aerys ever even had one. His words about "a servant's daughter" seem to imply that he genuinely belived Cersei was Tywin's.
When Joanna found Jaime and Cersei pretending to have sex, she must have started to suspect that they weren't Tywin's again, but since she died shorly after that, before anything else happened, it's possible that even she didn't know for sure.
2. If Cersei is a half-Targ and Aerys had known this, she would have been a bastard in his eyes and therefore not good enough for his son and heir. Besides, if the truth came out somehow, Aerys would have found himself in a military conflict with Tywin and bastard Cersei as his son's wife would have brought him no swords.
3. If Aerys was so eager for Rhaegar to have a Targ wife, wouldn't he have tried to get Rhaella pregnant with a girl sooner?

Edited by Wentwarth, 01 October 2011 - 10:36 AM.

[bianca]

It's not exactly a theory, but I don't like it:

Spoiler

I don't like Aegon's comeback. If he really is a Targ, it's completely pointless, since we already have one Targaryen claimant (Dany), and also a little Deus ex-machina. If he is the mummer's dragon, it is even more pointless, because then we have another fake claimant whose only purpose is to complicate stretch the story a little longer.

Another one a don't like is the "blood on Dany's thighs was a miscarriage and all the other things on Mirri Maz Dur's curse are getting to happen", since the point of that line was telling Dany that Drogo was not coming back, and if all that is happening now, it should mean that Drogo is coming back. Freaking pointless.