StarkWolf Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 I watched HBOs Game of Thrones before I even read the books and the feeling I got there was that somehow Jon and Arya were a future love interest. That is after I figured out he wasn't Neds biological son. Since reading the books, this feeling has strengthened. They are very close, in a most unbrother/sister like way. They are on the same wavelength, finishing each others sentences etc. Arya has said that the only other person, apart from her father, who called her pretty was Jon. He compared Ygritte to her and I don't buy into the Freudian Oedipal theory to explain it away either. What's most telling in ADwD is his reaction to the fake Aryas predicament. When Eddard died, yes he thought about leaving but remained true to the Night Watch. Even when Robb, Bran and Rickon were killed and Winterfell was sacked, he remained at the Wall. Yet for Arya he gets involved. They are going to be reunited at some stage. With Jon dying, possibly being re-born in a different body as Azor Ahai, and Aryas abilities from the Faceless Men they may not recognise each other. Although they will probably figure it out. Does anyone else think this pairing is a distinct possibility or would like to see it happen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady crackhead Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 I watched HBOs Game of Thrones before I even read the books and the feeling I got there was that somehow Jon and Arya were a future love interest. That is after I figured out he wasn't Neds biological son. Since reading the books, this feeling has strengthened. They are very close, in a most unbrother/sister like way. They are on the same wavelength, finishing each others sentences etc. Arya has said that the only other person, apart from her father, who called her pretty was Jon. He compared Ygritte to her and I don't buy into the Freudian Oedipal theory to explain it away either. What's most telling in ADwD is his reaction to the fake Aryas predicament. When Eddard died, yes he thought about leaving but remained true to the Night Watch. Even when Robb, Bran and Rickon were killed and Winterfell was sacked, he remained at the Wall. Yet for Arya he gets involved. They are going to be reunited at some stage. With Jon dying, possibly being re-born in a different body as Azor Ahai, and Aryas abilities from the Faceless Men they may not recognise each other. Although they will probably figure it out. Does anyone else think this pairing is a distinct possibility or would like to see it happen? Well that disturbs me. Not the incest, but the changing of their whole beings into somebody else. If that's part of the 'magic' in this series, Im done. I got the opposite idea from the show; i thought they were favorite siblings, only. There wasnt a whiff of sexuality there, not implied in the present or future. But yeah, reading the books, they probably do belong together, if only because theyve become some of the most stiffbacked,hypocritical & judgmental characters in asoiaf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
towerofjoy Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 I watched season 1 and then read all 5 books. I personally don't get anything but fraternal love between Jon and Arya. If anything I see a parallel between Jon/Arya and Eddard/Lyanna. Sort of the older, doting brother and younger, somewhat wild sister. And I hope GRRM's incest thing is fulfilled with the Targs and Cersei/Jaime. One word: ick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARYa_Nym Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 He's just taking after Rhaegar so Arya is his favorite. :D He also tried to leave the wall for his best friend Robb though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrosBeforeSnows Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Does anyone else think this pairing is a distinct possibility or would like to see it happen? I, personally, never got that impression, but I wouldn't put it past GRRM. He does like to works in 3's (i.e. Targ-incest, Lannister-incest, Stark-incest???). But as far as I know, Jon & Arya were the outcasts of their family, so they were naturally drawn to each other... in a strictly platonic sort of way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarkWolf Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 Well that disturbs me. Not the incest, but the changing of their whole beings into somebody else. If that's part of the 'magic' in this series, Im done. That's just one way they could be reunited, there's many other possibilities. And I hope GRRM's incest thing is fulfilled with the Targs and Cersei/Jaime. One word: ick. But it wouldn't be incest. I believe Jon is Rhaegar and Lyannas son therefore Aryas cousin, and cousins marrying was common practice in medieval times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady crackhead Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Why couldnt Jon be the son of Brandon & Lyanna? I think he is. Also? part of the reason I dislike Jon was his initial reaction to the notification that Arya was being forced to marry Ramsay. He reflect on the fact that he cant see Arya sitting still for a bedding, so to speak, and then, la la la la la, he's off with some other bullshit. I liked & appreciated & understood Jaime more when he thought upon hearing that the Goat got Brienne tested for STDs, that he judged that the wench could survive a few rapes. It was pragmatism that overlaid his true feelings, which were that he had to get her the fuck out of there. You know, because he fucking really cared about her, and people matter more to him that fucking oaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipsuel Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 I never got that impression... The only impression I ever got was that they had a great bro/sister relationship, and were somewhat bonded by each feeling "different." (Jon as the bastard, and Arya as the anti-lady). If those 2 ever got together, I think that I would vomit in my mouth. Their relationship is perfect as-is... Big brother to a little sister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarkWolf Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 Why couldnt Jon be the son of Brandon & Lyanna? I think he is. Now that's disturbing :ack: but I'm reminded of glass houses so I won't say no more. Also? part of the reason I dislike Jon was his initial reaction to the notification that Arya was being forced to marry Ramsay. He reflect on the fact that he cant see Arya sitting still for a bedding, so to speak, and then, la la la la la, he's off with some other bullshit. I liked & appreciated & understood Jaime more when he thought upon hearing that the Goat got Brienne tested for STDs, that he judged that the wench could survive a few rapes. It was pragmatism that overlaid his true feelings, which were that he had to get her the fuck out of there. You know, because he fucking really cared about her, and people matter more to him that fucking oaths. I totally get where your coming from there. I like the Jamie/ brianne dynamic. And yes he's pragmatic, but I'm hoping he learns a thing or two about honour from Brienne. She brings out his chivalrous side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipsuel Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Why couldnt Jon be the son of Brandon & Lyanna? I think he is. I guess no one could say he CANT be B&L's... but what makes you think he is? Or maybe you could start a thread on it... Even on re-reads I have not read anything that lends itself to that theory. Then again, I've missed a lot of good sh*t that I only later learned from these boards lol :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Harren Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Ok, if we accept R+L=J, and we remember that Arya is said to be like Lyanna in both looks and temperament (yes, Lyanna was beautiful but Arya hasn't hit puberty yet), then could we say that Arya is sort of like Lyanna reborn? In that case, it might explain the connection between Jon and Arya, and also the connection she has with Gendry, who is Robert's son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARYa_Nym Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 All of which is a long winded way of saying, no, Jon was not born "more than 1 year" before Dany... probably closer to eight or nine months or thereabouts...As to your speculations about Catelyn and Ashara Dayne... sigh... needless to say, All Will Be Revealed in Good Time. I will give you this much, however; Ashara Dayne was not nailed to the floor in Starfall, as some of the fans who write me seem to assume..http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/1040 Brandon died too early. Some people do think he had a child. Some people think that Ashara had a stillborn daughter by Brandon. I've seen theories that Allyria Dayne is Brandon's daughter or Ned's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarkWolf Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 Ok, if we accept R+L=J, and we remember that Arya is said to be like Lyanna in both looks and temperament (yes, Lyanna was beautiful but Arya hasn't hit puberty yet), then could we say that Arya is sort of like Lyanna reborn? In that case, it might explain the connection between Jon and Arya, and also the connection she has with Gendry, who is Robert's son. That would be my understanding too. The love triangle lives on in the next generation but hopefully not with the same tragic end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARYa_Nym Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Ok, if we accept R+L=J, and we remember that Arya is said to be like Lyanna in both looks and temperament (yes, Lyanna was beautiful but Arya hasn't hit puberty yet), then could we say that Arya is sort of like Lyanna reborn? In that case, it might explain the connection between Jon and Arya, and also the connection she has with Gendry, who is Robert's son.& Edric Dayne has Targ-ish features. A potential love triangle 2.0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarkWolf Posted October 9, 2011 Author Share Posted October 9, 2011 Thankfully I followed the link to the rest of that quote.... I had no idea where he was going with her not being nailed to the floor..... How does Edric Dayne + Targ-ish features = love triangle 2.0 :idea: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARYa_Nym Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Gendry already doesn't like Edric. Edric would be the Rhaegar in the story. Gendry is Robert. Or it could be reversed. He probably will put her with Gendry though and not bother with a love triangle since it's been slightly hinted at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrosBeforeSnows Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 I think the main problem with Jon and Arya hooking up in the future is Jon has just been stabbed (to death?), and Arya has joined a death cult. I highly doubt they'll both survive the series. Arya, in my opinion, seems more likely to die than Jon. 11 year old girl assassins probably don't have a very long life expectancy, and it sounds like the Faceless Men are a little too comfortable with death for her to make it out alive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arya of House Badass Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 I never got that impression... The only impression I ever got was that they had a great bro/sister relationship, and were somewhat bonded by each feeling "different." (Jon as the bastard, and Arya as the anti-lady). If those 2 ever got together, I think that I would vomit in my mouth. Their relationship is perfect as-is... Big brother to a little sister. I see it this way as well. Regardless of their genetic relationship, they see each other as brother and sister. Eddard might not be Jon's father but that doesn't really change the relationship they had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kephv Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Also? part of the reason I dislike Jon was his initial reaction to the notification that Arya was being forced to marry Ramsay. He reflect on the fact that he cant see Arya sitting still for a bedding, so to speak, and then, la la la la la, he's off with some other bullshit. I liked & appreciated & understood Jaime more when he thought upon hearing that the Goat got Brienne tested for STDs, that he judged that the wench could survive a few rapes. It was pragmatism that overlaid his true feelings, which were that he had to get her the fuck out of there. You know, because he fucking really cared about her, and people matter more to him that fucking oaths. His situation was a lot more complicated than Jaime's was, you know, being the head of the Night's Watch and all, and being many more miles (hundreds) away from where she was. There really wasn't anything he could do considering the circumstances, so it's only natural how he reacted. Jaime, on the other hand, had to make a choice to go back, what, like all of five miles? That would be my understanding too. The love triangle lives on in the next generation but hopefully not with the same tragic end. I got that feeling too. I always saw the possibility of her and Jon, but I always liked the dynamics between Arya and Gendry as well. I think the main problem with Jon and Arya hooking up in the future is Jon has just been stabbed (to death?), and Arya has joined a death cult. I highly doubt they'll both survive the series. Arya, in my opinion, seems more likely to die than Jon. 11 year old girl assassins probably don't have a very long life expectancy, and it sounds like the Faceless Men are a little too comfortable with death for her to make it out alive. I think it's the opposite. By joining the FM her life expectancy has only increased along with the skills she's learning and will learn in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lady crackhead Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Jaime, on the other hand, had to make a choice to go back, what, like all of five miles? And potentially get killed; yes. Poor Jon and all his tough choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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